I continue to be asked if the virus is real. I answered this question in 2 prior blog posts, below. But Off-Guardian has a new article claiming the virus is fake, and I was again asked to comment.
- Is the virus real? Has it been photographed? What about Koch’s postulates? What to do?
- The testing mess, lack of reliable data on Covid-19, and a hypothesis why
Here is a description of its culture and isolation, with additional details in the supplementary materials, for those who continue to clamour for it.
- Isolation and rapid sharing of the 2019 novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) from the first patient diagnosed with COVID-19 in Australia
Since I have explained some technical aspects in the two prior posts, I will be brief. Please read John McGowan’s comment to the second post for greater detail, which helps debunk the Off-Guardian article.
1. There has been tremendous falsification of information on almost every aspect of the pandemic. I don’t think there is much question about that, and I understand that it makes people appropriately suspicious about the reality of the virus, too. Particularly when people with MDs and PhDs after their names claim it does not exist.
2. I am willing to go on record to say that Andrew Kaufman, MD (a psychiatrist, not a molecular biologist, who got his undergrad degree in the same department I did at MIT–Biology) who is quoted in the piece, is wrong and ignorant, besides. As are others.
3. Here is the key argument: I have challenged those who deny Covid is caused by a real virus to explain what, exactly, is causing these symptoms if it is not a virus. One suggested toxins. Or 5G.
- Well, toxins and 5G and exosomes are not contagious, but this disease is.
- It has a very predictable incubation period, averaging 6 days.
- Properly used PPE protects the wearer from exposure.
- It causes mostly similar syndromes in those who get very ill.
- The syndrome, while relatively unique, is similar to that caused by SARS-1 in 2003.
- The illness responds well to antiviral drugs. Patients get better quickly when viral-killing protocols, including hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin, are used early in the illness.
These simple facts, along with the arguments I have made in the two linked blog posts, confirm that we are facing an infectious disease, and it is caused by a virus.
4. Hundreds of thousands of whole genome sequences (maps of every nucleotide in the virus’ RNA) have been uploaded by scientists in scores of countries to international databases, each with its own local mutations. You would need to isolate and grow these viruses in order to sequence them. Saying that all these sequences are false requires that thousands of scientists are lying, together, about the work they have done. Since these scientists are from the US, China, Russia, and everywhere else, getting them all to tell the same lie would not be simple.
5. Did this virus originate in a lab? Almost certainly. Was it spread deliberately? I don’t know. It could have been accidental. If it was spread deliberately, who did it? I don’t know that either.
If you approach this question by asking who had the means, motive and opportunity to commit such a crime, we can at least begin the discussion.
a. Means: Scientists in multiple countries, including the US and China, had the means to produce a virus like this.
b. Motive: Who is benefiting from the pandemic? The $US dollar, Amazon, Elon, Facebook, Zoom, Twitter and the surveillance state, for a start.
c. Opportunity: Since the world military games were held in Wuhan in October, military staff from dozens of countries had the opportunity. Wuhan is also an international trading center. Maybe anyone visiting Wuhan last fall had an opportunity.
If this theory is so easy to debunk, why does it keep popping up? I am starting to wonder if it isn’t a psyop, repeatedly inserted into the discourse to stop people from looking into the true origin of the virus… looking into the funders of Gain of Function research on coronaviruses at NIAID and elsewhere… and looking into what exactly they were trying to do, and for whom…
Those are the important questions, particularly in terms of avoiding a repeat lab-derived pandemic.
Please don’t waste any more of your time on the “fake virus” hypothesis. We don’t have the time or luxury to fight each other. We need all hands on deck to turn back the Great Reset (whatever it is supposed to be) and regain sane control of our societies.
Well, toxins and 5G and exosomes are not contagious, but this disease is. – the CDC and many other orgs contradicted themselves and now confess differently as to its contagious nature (air, surface. non-symptomatice spreaders, etc..) It has a very predictable incubation period, averaging 6 days. – so then all these people who keep getting it back to back and report “FLU” like symptoms are breaking with established norms and not producing antibodies from the first round? There seems nothing predictable about it except that it generally seems like the flu we all know. Properly used PPE protects the wearer… Read more »
You are a case in point: wasting your and my time to argue and nitpick over something that is already clearly documented. Whether you are controlled opposition or not, you need to get over it. Yes, I am deleting you other nasty posts.
The labelling of “controlled opposition” deserves no response. That’s just silencing. Speak to my points which are valid and based on other “experts” opinions and facts.
More than a little dissapointed in this behaviour. “Nasty posts” heaven forbid we hurt anyone sensibilities in this genocide war. Butterflies and rainbows for everyone!
==> genocide war.
To tell us exactly what you are doing to end this genocide war?
I am beginning to think that you, Patrick, are indeed controlled opposition. Delete my post if you wish, but… I see you.
Yes, and I see you too. You apparently have no idea of what Technocracy News & Trends is about. If you won’t take time to learn, or just refuse to learn, then maybe you should take a break and come back later when you figure it out.
Pat…I admire your work on technocracy and read all your articles and share them with all my contacts…however I was surprised that you chose to ban a commenter for posting about the virus question…I have read many articles on Steve Kirsch’s substack regarding his views on the virus question..he is an adamant believer in the virus theory yet he has never banned those who question the virus theory from commenting…Dr Nass mentioned Dr. Kaufuman as though he’s the only Doctor / scientist that questions the virus theory…thats simply not true…as far back as the days of Pasteur there were other… Read more »
This site is about Technocracy and Transhumanism. I am tired of getting constantly bombarded by trolls and others who want to nitpick over whether or not a virus even exists or that it has been isolated. Stop it. Technocrats are about to take the world down you should be screaming it from the housetops.
Saying toxins are not contagious is not exactly true, and I can give a perfect example.
Cyanide poisoning; contact with someone with severe cyanide poisoning can be transmitted by contact through the skin; this is only one example, and nobody need take my word for it just a little simple research is all that is needed.
Nonsense. Hundreds of researchers have tried to obtain this unicorn. She is a shill. Taking a photo of artifacts in no way proves that this is something capable of producing illness.
A computer-generated piece of code is not a “virus”. It is computer-generated code. Any wonder why Mr. Virus (Bill Gates) himself got into this business for profit?
If you believe this virus exists, please produce the EVIDENCE. All this mouthpiece has is HEARSAY.
We are trained to trust the authority of the person, rather than the authority of the evidence.
==> please produce the EVIDENCE.
There are a number of links in this article that were put there for a reason. Follow each one and read each one in its entirety.
I suppose Dr. Kary Mullis, the developer of the PCR test who said viruses cannot be seen under electron microscope is wrong as well? Do you really expect any thinking person to believe one word from the NIAID?
If you are going to make the claim, then you need to show the reference.
It’s not one of Meryl Nass’s best-argued posts. For example, she leaps from stating that zillions of viral-genome sequences having been uploaded worldwide to concluding that these sequences prove it’s a virus because otherwise “thousands of scientists are lying, together, about the work they have done.” But lying is not needed. The way that these sequences are produced is from sequencing short snippets, guessing at the presumed original whole sequence based on overlaps in the snippets. But there are zillions of ways to assemble the alleged whole sequence, so heuristics have to be used (including assumptions that the sequence resembles… Read more »
You have not read through the links provided in this article.
I have seen first hand this regurgitated argument, and there are some key points that are always missed or avoided. This is a matter of scientific endeavour that is based on a burden of proof process, and the fact of the matter is, the method of sequencing does not fit the established process. Has there been an illness, yes. Was it a distinctly deadly illness that required the abandonment of all known procedures, no. When abuses result from a false narrative, it is incumbent to ask questions, and the climate cult is prime example of thousands of ‘scientists’ willing to… Read more »
==> Literally nothing is being learned by anyone.
Yes, including you as long as you continue to make this a mountain of an issue. Technocrats and Transhumanists are about to pound us into the sand – don’t you think that should trump these arguments?
If I am ignorant Dr. Nass then why don’t you come on my podcast and educate me exactly how viruses have been discovered and shown to exist. You didn’t mention any of that evidence in this article. I can be reached for an interview through my website. I await your contact.
Dr. Kaufman – I personally forwarded your invitation to Dr. Nass. Thanks for responding. – PW
Not by a long shot! Why you do not do some research bc that one of Australian is debunked by Lanka, Kaufman and the rest a while ago bc that is not ho you isolate Learn first HOW they do isolating and then you see, but not to watch out for some that makes you right bc you are again totally wrong bc you do not know anything about REAL isolation. Best advice bc like this guy and wake up bc you are brainwashing yourself and others by not doing some research: https://odysee.com/@DrAndrewKaufman:f/Dr_Mike_Yeadon_Concludes_There_Are_No_Respiratory_Viruses-(3):f https://andrewkaufmanmd.com/the-virus-challenge/ + PDF And why not collect… Read more »
Do you realize that Technocrats and Transhumanists are about to pound you into the ground? You should be concerned about bigger issues than arguing here.
A test sample contains human cells. It is grown in monkey kidney cells. It is centrifuged. The band with a certain density is assumed without basis to contain the virus. The density of exosomes covers the range of densities of “viruses.” Isolation, in the ordinary sense of the word, requires at least three additional step of removing non viral particles of same density like exosomes. This is never done because it’s probably impossible. Even though virologists claim viruses are ubiquitous and innumerable, they assume only one particular virus is in the centrifuged band, and nothing else. They them use election… Read more »
==> Virology and most of molecular biology is illogical unscientific trash.
This explains your whole position.
Not that it really matters, however anyone that throws the word virus pretty much loses the majority of the essence of credibility considering the word ” virus ” is a Latin word that literally means poison plant or sap. Using a particular word to mean something else is intellectually dishonest. I am also astounded by the continued use of the word pandemic, do we even know what that looks like? The number of deaths prior to any injections certainly did not reflect this. I am certainly not going to get into any irrelevant argument with anyone, however I exercise my… Read more »
‘203 health/science institutions globally all failed to cite even 1 record of “SARS-COV-2” purification, by anyone, anywhere, ever’.https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/68-health-science-institutions-globally-all-failed-to-cite-even-1-record-of-sars-cov-2-purification-by-anyone-anywhere-ever/ Maybe their definition of purification is too stringent and not the norm. If so, I’d like to see that argued. Several studies claiming isolation have been debunked. Maybe this Australian one has too. That the virus initially had identical symptoms to other seasonal viruses, and that covid mortality rates rely heavily on putting every possible cause down as ‘with covid’, suggests to me that ‘covid’ is just a concept. I might be convinced if it can be shown that covid patients respond… Read more »
What part of this link, included in Nass’ article, do you not understand? ARS‐CoV‐2 was isolated from a 58‐year‐old man from Wuhan, China who arrived in Melbourne on 19 January 2020 and was admitted to the Monash Medical Centre, Melbourne from the emergency department on 24 January 2020 with fever, cough, and progressive dyspnoea. Major outcomes Clinical course and laboratory features of the first reported case of COVID‐19 (the illness caused by SARS‐CoV‐2) in Australia; isolation, whole genome sequencing, imaging, and rapid sharing of virus from the patient. Results A nasopharyngeal swab and sputum collected when the patient presented to… Read more »
You are making a claim here and using information from others to back up your claim. That is not proof. Why don’t YOU challenge Dr. Stefan Lanka who demonstrated clearly what you are saying is bunk.
Get into a lab, do your control experiments and try find that virus.
There’s 100k euro waiting for you if you can prove him wrong. No virologist has done so because they know they can’t. But you seem to be very sure so let us all know how you get on. Best of luck! .
Youve got to be kidding me? This is an extreme position- and elementary to poke holes in each ‘fact’. Who worships Scientism now, mirror mirror
Not going to argue with you, Wolfgang. It is a waste of my time and yours.
Quit wasting our time.
You may be overly left brain yourself if you think identifying a virus is Crux and crucial to this matter. Indeed, the larger problem is our acceptance of what is deemed ‘true’ by todays science…much misinformed by Cartesian, Hegelian, Aristotilian worship…and i do mean worship. Not to diminish their contributions….but here’s to the roots of Scientism my friend. And the problem with faith based science is equal to the ignorance of faith based spirituality throughout our recent past. Faith. There is no need for it in embodied, genuine spitituality. The Ingegrity of a rational mind is no different.
==> You may be overly left brain yourself if you think identifying a virus is Crux and crucial to this matter.
It isn’t crux of anything. The point is, too many people are straining at a gnat while swallowing the camel.
May i suggest Iain McGilchrists books to you? Salute
These arguments are very similar to climate change, i.e. there are thousands of scientist that claim its true. Consensus is not science, the argument is virology uses circular arguments and lack of controls to prove the viruses existence. As in the climate change science when you drill down into where the original data is coming from its based on relatively few people and then thousands of scientists honestly replicate the bad assumptions, based on bad original data. Sadly much of what passes as medicine is not science but conjecture. Nass relies heavily in the above on Appeals to Authority i.e.… Read more »
Your comments do not confirm that you actually read Nass’ article in its entirety or if you did, you did not understand it.
When I saw the colorized picture of the electron micrograph, along with the title, I was sure this was going to be a reprint from the Onion. That picture was first provided by NIH 13 February 2020, with no reference whatsoever. At least none that I could ever find. This has always bothered me. Sure, “RML investigator Emmie de Wit, Ph.D., provided the virus samples as part of her studies, microscopist Elizabeth Fischer produced the images, and the RML visual medical arts office digitally colorized the images.” Anyone could write those words. What about the sample source and treatment… Read more »
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