Barbara Malthusian Hubbard: From Limits to Growth to UN Agenda 2030

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Klyczek: “Malthusianism is the bedrock of Darwinism, which is the foundation of eugenics, which is the cornerstone of transhumanism. Put another way, transhumanism encompasses both the Malthusian-sustainable control of population quantity and the Darwinian-eugenic control of population quality by means of technocracy. ” ‚ĀÉ TN Editor

For decades, New Age guru Barbara Marx Hubbard preached a futurist gospel of ‚Äúconscious evolution‚ÄĚ guided by ‚Äúlove and light.‚ÄĚ Yet, at the same time, in stark contrast, Hubbard also touted Malthusian population control. If Hubbard called for the human population to be culled, then how could she have genuinely floated her dreams of conscious evolution sincerely upon the ‚Äúself-actualization‚ÄĚ mantras of the Human Potential Movement or the ‚Äúco-creation‚ÄĚ ethos of her New Age homilies?

While Hubbard’s advocacy for population control contradicts the benevolent rhetoric of her New Age spiritualism, her Malthusianism cohesively aligns with her championing of transhumanism. As I historicized in a previous article entitled Barbara Marx Hubbard: Godmother of Transhumanism and Synthetic Spirituality, transhumanism was conceptualized by Julian Huxley as the second phase of eugenics, which would artificially enhance Darwinian evolution by merging human biology with machines. In fact, according to Darwin’s autobiography, his theory of evolution by natural selection, which inspired his cousin Francis Galton to develop the pseudo-science of eugenics, was conceived as the biological consequence of growing populations competing for limited resources in a Malthusian ecology:

‚ÄúI [Darwin] happened to read for amusement ‚ÄėMalthus on Population,‚Äô and being well prepared to appreciate the struggle for existence which everywhere goes on from long continued observation of the habits of animals and plants, it at once struck me that under these circumstances favourable variations would tend to be preserved, and unfavourable ones to be destroyed.¬† The result of this would be the formation of new species. Here then I had at last got a theory by which to work.‚ÄĚ

In brief, Malthusianism is the bedrock of Darwinism, which is the foundation of eugenics, which is the cornerstone of transhumanism. Put another way, transhumanism encompasses both the Malthusian-sustainable control of population quantity and the Darwinian-eugenic control of population quality by means of technocracy.

Thomas Malthus, Charles Darwin, Francis Galton, and Julian Huxley.

In my¬†first installment¬†in this series, I documented how Hubbard, bankrolled by Rockefeller ‚Äúphilanthropy,‚ÄĚ teamed up with Abraham Maslow‚Äôs Eupsychian Network, including the Esalen Institute, to push trans-eugenic evolution through partnerships with the HeartMath Institute, which propagates transhumanist neurofeedback wearables that are programmed to induce synthetic spiritual bliss. In this current installment, I will explain how Hubbard‚Äôs vision for ‚Äúconscious‚ÄĚ transhuman evolution is inseparable from her Malthusian outlook on human population growth and sustainable ecology. More specifically, I will expose how:

  1. Hubbard championed Malthusian population control policies advanced by the environmentalist forecasts of the Club of Rome’s Limits to Growth and the sustainable development initiatives of United Nations (UN) Agenda 2030.
  2. Hubbard collaborated with World Economic Forum (WEF) globalist,¬†Maurice Strong, who spearheaded UN Agenda 21‚Äôs sustainable development program, and Club of Rome member¬†Mikhail Gorbachev, who co-created the¬†Earth Charter¬†‚Äúsustainable development‚ÄĚ initiative in partnership with Strong.

In future installments of this series, I will reveal how Hubbard‚Äôs Malthusian environmentalism was shaped by her spiritual muse,¬†Pierre Teilhard de Chardin; her kindred ‚Äúpsychological mutant,‚ÄĚ Jonas Salk¬†[2]; and her longtime financial benefactor,¬†Laurance Rockefeller. I will also unveil how Hubbard‚Äôs affiliations with the World Future Society, the Human Potential Movement, and the Foundation for Conscious Evolution were connected to networks of alleged pedophiles and sexual abuse cults.

Hubbard and the ‚ÄúRiders of the Pale Horse‚ÄĚ

The following quote, which has been widely circulated as a purported excerpt from Hubbard‚Äôs 1993¬†Book of Co-Creation, declares that¬†‚Äúone-fourth‚Ä̬†of humanity will need to be culled in order to usher in a utopian New World Order:

‚Äú[o]ut of the full spectrum of the human personality, one-fourth is elected to transcend and one-fourth are destructive, defective seeds. In the past they were permitted to die a natural death. Now, as we approach the quantum shift from the creature-human to the co-creative human‚Äēthe human who is an inheritor of god-like powers‚Äēthe destructive one-fourth must be eliminated from the social body. Fortunately, you are not responsible for this act. We are. We are in charge of God‚Äôs selection process for planet Earth. He selects‚Äēwe destroy. We are the riders of the pale horse, Death.‚ÄĚ

To be sure, this passage cannot be found within the pages of Hubbard‚Äôs¬†Book of Co-Creation. However,¬†The Mail Archive, which records ‚Äúarchived postings‚ÄĚ and ‚Äúactive mailing lists,‚ÄĚlogs an email exchange in which Hubbard reportedly acknowledged that this passage was excerpted ‚Äúfrom a manuscript which has not been published.‚ÄĚ According to¬†The Mail Archive, on ‚ÄúThursday, November 04, 1999,‚ÄĚ Hubbard replied to an email from a Dave Hartley, who had shared the misattributed passage with his email list:

Dear Dave: whoever you are, this quote is taken completely out of context from a manuscript which has not been published. The passage you refered [sic] to referred to the thought that we do not need to go through the Armageddon scenario that was predicted in the book of Revelation. The whole purpose of the Book of Cocreation [sic] is to say that the human species has the freedom to avoid the massive destruction predicted. The meaning of that particular passage, which I never published, because I do not believe it at all, came from the possiblity [sic] that if there is to be any further massive destruction on this earth, it will not be perpetrated by humans, but by some other force.

I personally do not believe this, have not published this, will never published it. My whole life is dedicated to bringing greater peace and gentleness to the human race.

This quote has been used by a small minority of people seeking to damage the reputations of many people and I ask you to release it, tear it up. IT is not viable. I totally refute it, and ask you to be kind enough to do the same.

With appreciation for your concern, Barbara Marx Hubbard

Email from Barbara Marx Hubbard to Dave Hartley, The Mail Archive

School World Order: The Technocratic Globalization of Corporatized Education by John Klyczek

According to this email, Hubbard took ownership of the infamous passage while simultaneously disavowing it. Although she ‚Äútotally refute[d]‚ÄĚ the quote, emphasizing how she ‚Äúnever published‚ÄĚ it, she did not deny ever writing it; rather, she admitted that she had written it in ‚Äúa manuscript which has not been published.‚ÄĚ Indeed, she even tried to rescue ‚Äúthe meaning of that particular passage‚ÄĚ by suggesting that the passage emphasizes how the Malthusian ‚Äúdestruction‚ÄĚ of the human population would ‚Äúnot be perpetrated by humans, but by some other force,‚ÄĚ and only if humankind abdicates its ‚Äúfreedom to avoid the massive destruction predicted.‚ÄĚ Obviously, this is contradicted by Hubbard‚Äôs use of the personal pronoun ‚Äúwe‚ÄĚ in the active-voice construction of the final sentences, which proclaim, ‚Äú[w]e are in charge of God‚Äôs selection process for planet Earth. He selects‚Äēwe destroy. We are the riders of the pale horse, Death.‚ÄĚ

Notice here that she also did not outrightly reject the premise that some form of Malthusian depopulation, whether voluntarily or by means of ‚Äúsome other force,‚ÄĚ would be a necessary precondition for the conscious evolution of the human species. In fact, this theoretical dilemma, which posits that humans must rein in population growth or else suffer ‚Äúmassive destruction‚ÄĚ from ‚Äúother forces‚ÄĚ of ecological catastrophe, is the crux of Malthusian theory. In the 1803 edition of¬†An Essay on the Principle of Population,¬†economist Thomas Malthus enumerated that ‚Äú(1) Population is necessarily limited by the means of subsistence. (2) Population invariably increases where the means of subsistence increase, unless prevented by some very powerful and obvious checks.‚ÄĚ Based on these ‚ÄúPrinciples of Population,‚ÄĚ Malthus called for ‚Äúpreventive checks‚ÄĚ on overpopulation in order to avert ‚Äúmassive destruction‚ÄĚ from ‚Äúother forces‚ÄĚ of ecological catastrophe, including ‚Äúfamine,‚ÄĚ ‚Äúplague,‚ÄĚ and ‚Äúpestilence.‚ÄĚ

To be sure, this¬†email exchange¬†between Hubbard and Hartley cannot be verified. Under the ‚ÄúOriginal Message‚ÄĚ header, the email addresses are ‚Äúprotected‚ÄĚ: ‚ÄúFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] . . . To: [EMAIL PROTECTED].‚ÄĚ Furthermore, at the very top of the email thread is a heading that reads ‚ÄúCaveat Lector,‚ÄĚ which basically¬†translates¬†as ‚Äúreader beware,‚ÄĚ indicating that the information contained therein may not be accurate.

If this email is not fabricated, and Hubbard did in fact write the passage, then her genocidal vision of Malthusian-eugenic population reduction, even if only drafted in an unpublished manuscript, cannot be reconciled or spirit-washed with any amount of benevolent rhetoric she touted. That she would draft such a genocidal proposition at all, even if she disavowed it later, reveals a window into the darker undercurrents behind her dreams of conscious evolution, especially since she never outrightly denounced the need for depopulation.

It is worth noting that, in¬†The Revelation: Our Crisis Is a Birth (The Book of Co-Creation), which is the book that is supposed to contain the infamous quote in question, there is a passage that reads as if it could be a revised version of the notorious ‚Äúpale horse‚ÄĚ quote:

‚Äúat a time of Quantum Transformation, the momentum of past activities forces those activities to overshoot the mark. ‚ÄėBe fruitful and multiply‚Äô goes too far and becomes overpopulation. ‚ÄėPreserve human life‚Äô goes too far and results in undesirable prolongation of creature/human existence. ‚ÄėGive food and shelter to the people‚Äô becomes the overindustrialization, pollution, inflation, and resource depletion by the developed world.¬† . . .

‚ÄėBe fruitful and multiply‚Äô now becomes ‚ÄėConsciously conceive children who will be given the opportunity of optimum development.‚Äô

‚ÄėPreserve all life‚Äô now becomes ‚ÄėAvail yourself of the opportunity for chosen death, and chosen extended life.‚Äô Thanatology and gerontology enter the scene. Death can be chosen by those who have finished their work on Earth. The purpose of advanced medical technologies is not to maintain creature/human bodies in a semivegetative state. It is to be used by those minds that are motivated to do new work on Earth and especially in the new environments of outer space, to extend life, change bodies, and eventually build new bodies accustomed to the new conditions of universal life, whatever they may be.¬† . . .

‚ÄėGive food and shelter to the people‚Äô now becomes ‚ÄėActivate the creative revolution‚Äďbuilding new worlds on Earth, new worlds in space,‚Äô an environment of resources capable of meeting the needs of all members of that body. The population overgrowth on Earth must cease. Only those who choose to live on, shall. The others will voluntarily go to their rest. This is the new condition toward which the magnificent achievements of the past have taken you‚Ä̬†[1].

Notice that this passage from the¬†Book of Co-Creation¬†refers to a ‚ÄúQuantum Transformation‚ÄĚ while the unpublished passage refers to a ‚Äúquantum shift.‚ÄĚ Notice also that both passages call for human population to be culled; the unpublished passage proclaims that ‚Äúone-fourth [of humankind] must be eliminated from the social body‚ÄĚ while the¬†Book of Co-Creation¬†declares that ‚Äú[t]he population overgrowth on Earth must cease. Only those who choose to live on, shall.‚ÄĚ The only real difference between these passages is that the unpublished excerpt glorifies how Hubbard and her evolutionary ‚Äúriders of the pale horse‚ÄĚ will selectively cull the population while the¬†Book of Co-Creation¬†prophesies that the ‚Äúunfit‚ÄĚ will voluntarily cull themselves from the human population. Although the rhetoric in the¬†Book of Co-Creation¬†is less menacing than the rhetoric in the unpublished excerpt, the former nonetheless asserts the Malthusian prognosis that human population must be culled in order for the human species to consciously evolve into the New Age.

To be fair, it is possible that the unpublished passage is actually a counterfeit. But even if it is a fabrication, there are multiple other excerpts from Hubbard’s writings, as you will see, in which she promotes Malthusian means of population control.

Malthusian Limits to Growth: Hubbard and the Club of Rome

Hubbard‚Äôs Malthusian overpopulation theories were partly inspired by the Club of Rome‚Äôs¬†Limits to Growth: A Report for the Club of Rome‚Äôs Project on the Predicament of Mankind. In fact, in Hubbard‚Äôs¬†Book of Co-Creation, there are multiple passages which warn of Malthusian ‚Äúlimits to growth‚ÄĚ that could lead to ecological catastrophes¬†[1]. She also met personally with Club of Rome Co-Founder, Aurelio Peccei¬†[2], who prompted the World Economic Forum to adopt the Malthusian tenets of the¬†Limits to Growth¬†at the¬†World Economic Forum‚Äôs Third Annual Meeting¬†in 1973.

The Limits to Growth, Source: Club of Rome

Established in¬†1968, the¬†Club of Rome¬†is a globalist non-governmental organization (NGO) that convenes meetings between¬†heads of states, members of¬†royal families,¬†business leaders,¬†international financiers,¬†¬†academic scholars,¬†laboratory scientists, and administrators of global governance institutions, such as the¬†UN, the¬†World Bank, the International Monetary Fund (IMF), and the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD). Modeled after the¬†‚ÄúRound Table‚ÄĚ structure¬†of the Bilderberg Group, the Royal Institute for International Affairs (RIIA), and the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the Club of Rome facilitates meetings where delegates plan the global economy through¬†public-private stewardship¬†of the world‚Äôs natural and human resources in accordance with the¬†Malthusian ecology¬†of¬†¬†sustainable development. Club of Rome member¬†Andr√© Hoffmann¬†is also a¬†trustee¬†of another Round Table NGO, the WEF, which is advancing the¬†Great Reset¬†to usher in public-private stakeholder sustainability for the technocratic Fourth Industrial Revolution.

In 1972, the Club of Rome‚Äôs¬†Limits to Growth¬†published the results of computer-simulated forecasts calculated by a team of scientists recruited from Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). The Club of Rome‚Äôs MIT team was led by¬†Dennis Meadows, who is a member of the WEF. Another central architect of the Club of Rome‚Äôs Project on the Predicament of Mankind was MIT Professor¬†Jay W. Forrester, who was commissioned by the¬†Club of Rome¬†to apply his¬†System Dynamics¬†theory to design computer models that would graph population growth, resource consumption, and environmental pollution forecasts, all of which provided the basis for the Malthusian thesis of¬†Limits to Growth. While working at MIT, Forrester programmed the¬†World One computer, which modeled a prediction of the Malthusian collapse of civilization in 2040. According to¬†Big Think¬†‚Äú2020 is the first milestone envisioned by World One.¬† . . . ‚ÄėAt around 2020, the condition of the planet becomes highly critical.‚Äô‚ÄĚ In several publications and speeches,¬†Hubbard¬†concurred with the World One computer forecasts as she predicted that 2020 would be the ‚Äúshift‚ÄĚ point for a ‚Äúnew norm.‚ÄĚ

Dennis Meadows | World Economic Forum (

At the same time, Hubbard‚Äôs¬†Book of Co-Creation¬†explicitly invokes the Club of Rome‚Äôs Malthusian ‚Äúlimits to growth‚ÄĚ rhetoric. In a chapter titled ‚ÄúThe Journey,‚ÄĚ she writes, ‚Äú[o]ne more doubling of the world population will destroy our life-support system. Our Mother will not support us if we continue to grow in numbers! We must stop.¬† . . . The so-called ‚Äėpopulation crisis‚Äô is a crisis of our planetary birth. The limits to growth on Earth shift us from procreation to co-creation‚Ä̬†[1].¬†Note here how Hubbard asserted that human population has reached a Malthusian ‚Äúlimits to growth‚ÄĚ which will render ‚ÄúMother Earth‚ÄĚ incapable of sustaining life unless we collectively curtail ‚Äúprocreation.‚ÄĚ

The Club of Rome’s Limits to Growth is not only Malthusian in principle, but a survey of its bibliography reveals that it is also backed by extensive citations from an array of Malthusian-eugenicists and affiliated institutions that have been dedicated to population control. These include:

  1. Jospeh J. Spengler:¬†a¬†eugenicist¬†who contributed to the¬†League of Nations¬†World Population Conference, which was orchestrated under the leadership of¬†Malthusian‚Äďeugenicist¬†Margaret Sanger.
  2. Frank Notestein:¬†an American Eugenics Society (AES) member, who was the founding director of the Population Division of the UN Department of Economic and Social Affairs (UN DESA); an ‚ÄúOrganizer‚ÄĚ of the¬†Second UN World Population Conference; anda president of both the¬†Population Association of America¬†and the¬†Population Council.
  3. Alexander Morris Carr-Saunders: a secretary of the Research Committee of the British Eugenics Education Society and a protégé of eugenicist Karl Pearson, who was himself a protégé of the founding father of eugenics, Francis Galton.
  4. The Population Reference Bureau: an international NGO that advances Malthusian population control programs through partnerships with the UN Fund for Population Activities (UNFPA); the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation; the Population Council; and the Population Association of America, which was founded by AES President Henry Pratt Fairchild and AES Co-Founder Frederick Osborn, who was also a president of the Population Council.
  5. Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment:¬†a book written by Paul Ehrlich (author of the¬†Population Bomb) and John P. Holdren (US President Barack Obama‚Äôs¬†White House Science Czar), both of whom postulated Malthusian¬†population control policies, including the spiking of drinking water with sterilants and the imposition of a government-issued ‚Äúlong-term sterilizing capsule that could be implanted under the skin. . .and might be removable, with official permission.‚ÄĚ

Reinventing Prosperity: Managing Economic Growth to Reduce Unemployment, Inequality, and Climate Change (Vancouver: Greystone Books, 2016).

In 2016, J√łrgen Randers, who was another captain of the MIT team that produced¬†Limits to Growth, co-authored another Malthusian ‚ÄúReport of the Club of Rome.‚ÄĚ Titled¬†Reinventing Prosperity: Managing Economic Growth to Reduce Unemployment, Inequality, and Climate Change, this ‚ÄúReport,‚ÄĚ which reasserts the Malthusian forecasts of¬†Limits to Growth, declared that ‚Äúthe poor world should seek to improve the lot of its population by using whatever means necessary,‚ÄĚ including ‚Äúfollow[ing] the example of China and seek[ing] to limit their populations, not with a one-child policy necessarily but through improved education and health, more easily available contraception‚Äēand ideally, by paying a bonus to those families who have had fewer than two children‚Ä̬†[3].

Aurelio Peccei, Source: Club of Rome

Not only were the Malthusian-eugenics of¬†Limits to Growth¬†adopted rhetorically by Barbara Marx Hubbard, but she also met personally with the co-founder of the Club of Rome. In her 1989 autobiography,¬†The Hunger of Eve, Hubbard relayed how she ‚Äúhad met Aurelio Peccei, head of the club [of Rome], in Bucharest in 1972 at a World Futurist Congress‚Ä̬†[2].¬†Hubbard disagreed with Peccei‚Äôs outlook on the extent to which civilizational growth must be curtailed to avoid ecological catastrophe. However, she nonetheless concurred with Peccei that environmental resource consumption must be curbed to at least some degree in order to avoid the ecological catastrophes forecasted in¬†Limits to Growth.

In fact, Hubbard promoted the Committee for the Future‚Äôs ‚ÄúChoiceful Future,‚ÄĚ which ‚Äúaccepted the Limits to Growth position of the necessity for conservation of nonrenewable resources, for decentralization, diversity, self-sufficiency, use of appropriate technology, and respect for nature, the environment and all people as members of our own body‚ÄĚ [2].¬†To put it another way, Hubbard assimilated Peccei‚Äôs push for the rationing of limited ‚Äúnonrenewable resources‚ÄĚ while she also synthesized his environmental ‚Äúconservation‚ÄĚ with her own call for sustainable economic development through innovative ‚Äúuse[s] of appropriate technology.‚ÄĚ

Similarly, Hubbard also affirmed that ‚Äú[t]here was much that was positive and right about‚ÄĚ the¬†Limits to Growth¬†thesis even though she was critical of the¬†Limits to Growth¬†‚Äúadvocates‚ÄĚ who resolved that ecological catastrophes could only be averted by means of ultra-Malthusian checks on the global population-growth/resource-consumption ratio. She stated that:

‚Äúthe Club of Rome‚Äôs Limits to Growth . . . considered earth [sic] a finite system with fixed resources and counselled us to adapt to the current limitations, or even to ‚Äėreturn‚Äô to a simpler stage of life as proposed by the deep ecologists. There was much that was positive and right about this perspective: restoration of the environment, decentralization, self-sufficiency, re-location of industry, energy efficiency, non-money economies, the barter system, cooperatives and the rebuilding of community. However, many of its advocates denied even the possibility of a concurrent and complementary, and equally natural, development of a new environment beyond our biosphere.‚Ä̬†[2]

The Club of Rome Logo

Again, Hubbard assimilated the Club of Rome‚Äôs policies concerning the ‚Äúrestoration of the environment‚ÄĚ through resource conservation while she also synthesized the Club of Rome‚Äôs policies with her own call for sustainable development through outer-space technologies that can enable the ‚Äúdevelopment of a new environment beyond our biosphere,‚ÄĚ thereby increasing the global population-growth/resource-consumption ratio.

In¬†The Book of Co-Creation, in a chapter titled ‚ÄúRevelation,‚ÄĚ Hubbard expounds on the ways in which ‚Äúresource shortage‚ÄĚ and ‚Äúoverpopulation‚ÄĚ can be transcended with ‚Äú‚Äėpostnatal‚Äô technologies . . . such as astronautics, genetics, longevity, cybernetics, robotics and nanotechnology‚ÄĚ that can be utilized to capitalize on ‚Äúthe universal environment beyond the biosphere‚ÄĚ:

‚Äú[t]he meta-crises of limits began: resource shortage, overpopulation, alienation, confusion, malaise about the future, disconnection with the past. Experts with an Earthbound perspective advocated a return to the simpler past, an adaptation to limits, a program of maximum conservation, and no growth. At the same time, some futurists wrote of a paradigm shift from self-centeredness to whole-centeredness. And some evolutionaries proclaimed the extended gospel of ‚Äėpostnatal‚Äô technologies, to be developed within the womb of Earth for use after birth in the universal environment beyond the biosphere, such as astronautics, genetics, longevity, cybernetics, robotics and nanotechnology.‚Ä̬†[1]

Barbara Marx Hubbard, Conscious Evolution: Awakening the Power of Our Social Potential (Novato, CA: New World Library, 1998).

In sum, Hubbard affirmed the Malthusian premises of the Club of Rome’s Limits to Growth, and she believed that human population growth should be regulated accordingly. At the same time, she believed that Malthusian population control should be complemented with transhumanist technological innovations which would enable humans to efficiently steward interplanetary resources at sustainable rates of consumption.

Malthusian ‚ÄúSustainability‚ÄĚ: Hubbard, Strong, Gorbachev

Maurice Strong (L), Mikhail Gorbachev (R)

On top of adopting the Malthusian tenets of the Club of Rome‚Äôs¬†Limits to Growth, Hubbard collaborated with¬†Maurice Strong, who was instrumental in setting up the UN Environmental Program (UNEP), coining the term ‚Äúsustainable development,‚ÄĚ and launching¬†UN Agenda 21, which has since been revamped as¬†Agenda 2030. Hubbard also collaborated with a cohort of New Age Soviets during the political rise of the first and only President of the Soviet Union,¬†Mikhail Gorbachev¬†[2], who was a¬†Club of Rome member¬†who partnered with Strong to set up the¬†Earth Charter¬†global sustainability project in conjunction with the launch of¬†Agenda 21. Altogether, Hubbard‚Äôs Malthusian outlook on ‚Äúlimits to growth‚ÄĚ and ‚Äúsustainable development‚ÄĚ was evidently shaped by her connections to Strong and Gorbachev, who played pivotal roles in ushering in the UN‚Äôs Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs), which are now pillars of the WEF‚Äôs¬†Great Reset¬†for the¬†Fourth Industrial Revolution.

The 8 UN Millennium Development Goals (MDGs)

Strong served alongside Hubbard on the World Future Society‚Äôs (WFS) Global Advisory Council. Under the directorship of Hubbard and Strong, the WFS‚Äôs flagship publication,¬†The Futurist, printed at least one issue that advocates for ‚Äúsustainable lifestyles,‚ÄĚ including ‚Äúsustainable consumption habits,‚ÄĚ for a ‚Äúsustainable economy‚ÄĚ in a ‚Äúsustainable future.‚ÄĚ In this 2014 issue of¬†The Futurist, an article titled ‚ÄúDemographics, Consumption, and Climate Change‚ÄĚ reports that ‚Äú[m]odels for climate-change scenarios need to dig beneath population-growth projections to understand their potential impact on the environment. While it‚Äôs true that more people consuming more resources will have more impact, it‚Äôs where the population growth is happening that matters.‚ÄĚ Of course, Strong was one of the founding fathers of Neo-Malthusian sustainable development.

The 17 UN Sustainable Development Goal (SDGs)

In 1972, the same year that the Club of Rome published its Malthusian treatise in¬†Limits to Growth, Strong led the¬†UN Conference on the Human Environment¬†(UNCHE), which resulted in the formation of the UNEP where he became its first executive director. Then, in 1987, Strong, who was also a member of the¬†WEF Foundation Board, became a member of the UN World Commission on Environment and Development (WCED) where the term ‚Äúsustainable development‚ÄĚ was¬†coined¬†in the ‚ÄúReport of the WCED,‚ÄĚ which contains 298 references to ‚Äúpopulation.‚ÄĚ Five years later, the Club of Rome officially adopted the term ‚Äúsustainable development‚ÄĚ in its publication of¬†Beyond the Limits:¬†Confronting Global Collapse, Envisioning a Sustainable Future,¬†which is the sequel to¬†Limits to Growth. That same year, in 1992, Strong led the¬†UN Earth Summit Conference¬†in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, resulting in the kickoff of¬†UN Agenda 21, which established ‚Äúsustainability‚ÄĚ as one of the 8 Millennium Development Goals (MDGs) that are now revamped as the 17 Agenda 2030¬†SDGs. It is important to note here that¬†SDG 5.6, which ‚Äú[e]nsure[s] universal access to sexual and reproductive health and reproductive rights,‚ÄĚ is explicitly guided by the¬†Neo-Malthusian¬†‚Äúfamily planning‚ÄĚ tenets of the¬†Program of Action¬†of the UN‚Äôs 1994¬†International Conference on Population and Development.

The First Global Revolution ‚Äď Club of Rome

In Hubbard‚Äôs 2001¬†Emergence: The Shift from Ego to Essence, she echoed the Malthusian overpopulation catastrophism and sustainable environmentalism touted in both the Club of Rome‚Äôs¬†Limits to Growth¬†treatises and the UN‚Äôs environment and population conferences: ‚Äú[y]ou hit a definitive limit to growth in your current mode‚ÄĚ in which ‚Äú[t]here are no adult Universal humans who have been through the transition from a high-technology, over-populating, polluting world at the edge of destroying its own life-support systems to a new world that is sustainable, compassionate, and life-enhancing‚Ä̬†[4].¬†Later in the same chapter, Hubbard writes, ‚Äú[w]herever they have the choice, women are shifting from massive procreation to co-creation. We have reached a limit to population growth on Earth. One more doubling of the population will take us over ten billion. We¬†will¬†have fewer children‚Äēwhether by choice or catastrophe is the only question‚Ä̬†[4].¬†In other words, for Hubbard, sustainable development encompasses not only the elimination of environmental pollution, but also the Malthusian limitation of human population growth.

Based on this sustainable-Malthusian equation, human population itself can be equivocated to a form of pollution that must be expunged from the planet, which is essentially what the Club of Rome proclaimed in¬†The First Global Revolution. Published one year before the UN set up Agenda 21, this ‚ÄúReport by the Council of the Club of Rome,‚ÄĚ which calls for global ‚Äúsustainable development,‚ÄĚ contains a section titled ‚ÄúThe Common Enemy of Humanity Is Man,‚ÄĚ declaring that:

‚Äú[i]n searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. In their totality and in their interactions these phenomena do constitute a common threat which demands the solidarity of all peoples. But in designating them as the enemy, we fall into the trap about which we have already warned, namely mistaking symptoms for causes. All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy, then, is humanity itself.‚ÄĚ

Stated differently, since humans are the cause of pollution, ‚Äúhumanity itself‚ÄĚ can be equivocated to the greatest environmental pollutant which is the ‚Äúreal enemy‚ÄĚ of the planet; in turn, environmental pollution must be prevented by eradicating human pollutants from the population.

Mikhail Gorbachev (L), Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands (Center), Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands (R)

Shortly after the launch of Agenda 21 at the¬†UN Earth Summit, Strong partnered with¬†Club of Rome member Gorbachev¬†to launch¬†Earth Charter, which combined Gorbachev‚Äôs Green Cross International with Strong‚Äôs Earth Council to form a global sustainable development initiative that would¬†buoy UN Agenda 21 projects. It should be noted that Strong and Gorbachev were¬†introduced¬†to each other by¬†Club of Rome¬†and¬†Bilderberg Group¬†member, Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands, who is the daughter of¬†Bilderberg Founder, Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands. A former¬†Nazi stormtrooper, Prince Bernhard was the ‚Äúhonorary sponsor‚ÄĚ of the¬†Third Annual WEF Meeting¬†where Peccei presented the Club of Rome‚Äôs Malthusian¬†Limits to Growth¬†to the WEF, which is now bolstering the UN‚Äôs SDGs through its¬†Great Reset¬†projects, including ‚ÄúEnvironmental, Social, and Governance‚ÄĚ (ESG) scoring schemes designed to¬†penalize¬†companies that fail to comply with SDG benchmarks. In brief, the Gorbachev-Strong sustainability alliance was orchestrated to operate a crucial pivot point in the global governance nexus of the UN, the Club of Rome, the Bilderberg Group, and the WEF; and Hubbard had ties to this nexus through Gorbachev, Strong, the UN, and the Club of Rome.

Barbara Marx Hubbard, The Hunger of Eve: One Woman’s Odyssey Toward the Future (Eastsound, WA: Island Pacific NW, 1989).

Hubbard‚Äôs ties to Gorbachev stem from her collaborations with Soviet New Agers during the 1980s. According to her autobiography,¬†The Hunger of Eve, in 1985, the Director of the Center for Soviet-American Dialogue, Rama Vernon, who was a yoga instructor, swayed Hubbard to travel to the Soviet Union. While visiting the Union of Socialist Soviet Republics (USSR), Hubbard met with a leader in the Soviet ‚Äúcitizen diplomacy movement,‚ÄĚ Joseph Goldin, who enthusiastically discussed prospects of Soviet-American ‚Äúco-creation‚ÄĚ aimed at achieving the utopian futurist visions of her¬†mentor, R. Buckminster Fuller¬†[2], who is cited in the Club of Rome‚Äôs¬†Limits to Growth. Hubbard was even ‚Äúgiven buttons that said ‚ÄėCo-creator‚Äô in English and Russian, with a diagram of the evolutionary spiral‚Ä̬†[2].

A couple years later, in 1987, Hubbard met at the: ‚ÄúCosmos Hotel . . . with Gennadi Alferenko, who was the founder of the Foundation for Social Inventions in the Soviet Union, and Rustem Khairov, who was working with Yevgeny Velikhov, the special science advisor to Gorbachev. We were planning the next major symposium, to be held in March, 1987, in Moscow entitled ‚ÄėA New Way of Thinking in the Nuclear Age ‚ÄĒ Social Innovations for the Third Millennium.‚Ä̬†[2]

The next year, Hubbard ‚Äúwas amazed and delighted when on December 7, 1988 Gorbachev addressed the General Assembly of the United Nations, calling for ‚Äėthe kind of cooperation that could more accurately be termed co-creation and co-development‚Äô‚Ä̬†[2].¬†Notice here that, according to Hubbard, both she and Gorbachev invoked the ‚Äúco-creation‚ÄĚ rhetoric of ‚Äúconscious evolution.‚ÄĚ

Hubbard went on to praise Gorbachev as a preeminent global leader who could ‚Äúbe our co-creative partner in restoring the environment . . . and expanding outer space peacefully‚ÄĚ:

‚ÄúI thought of Gorbachev as a political Sputnik. When Khrushchev put up Sputnik, he surprised us, and we responded with Apollo. If we recognized that the Soviet Union need not be our enemy, but could be our co-creative partner in restoring the environment, freeing people‚Äôs creativity and expanding outer space peacefully, what would happen over here?¬† . . . It could usher in the greatest age of cooperation and co-creation on a global scale that has ever been seen on earth [sic]. I felt that this is what we are preparing for now.‚Ä̬†[2]

Emphasizing the globalist, environmentalist, and futurist affinities between herself and Gorbachev, Hubbard reported that even UN Assistant Secretary General,¬†Robert Muller, who authored the UN‚Äôs World Core educational curriculum, highlighted how she and Gorbachev shared kindred visions of ‚Äúco-creating‚ÄĚ global sustainable development enterprises dedicated to ‚Äúrestoring the environment‚ÄĚ and ‚Äúexpanding outer space‚ÄĚ: ‚ÄúRobert Muller, former Assistant General of the United Nations called me up and said, ‚ÄėBarbara, you are the person in this world who sounds most like Gorbachev‚Äô‚Ä̬†[2].¬†It is worth noting here that Gorbachev‚Äôs close advisors, including Hubbard‚Äôs comrades, Velikhov and Goldin, also collaborated with the¬†Esalen Institute, which, along with Hubbard, was part of Abraham Maslow‚Äôs transhumanist¬†Eupsychian Network.

Esalen Catalog (Sep. 1990 ‚Äď Feb. 1991)

To sum it all up, Hubbard endorsed the sustainable development directives of UN Agenda 21, and she was connected to two of its most powerful architects: Gorbachev and Strong, who were leading figures at the epicenter of the global governance nexus of the UN, the Club of Rome, the Bilderberg Group, and the WEF. Simply put, Hubbard played an influential role in the historical development of UN Agenda 2030’s Neo-Malthusian SDGs, which are now being instituted across the globe through the WEF’s Great Reset for the Fourth Industrial Revolution and other means.

Malthusian Globalization: The UN, the State of the World Forum, and the Round Table Oligarchy

The liaisons between Hubbard, Gorbachev, and Strong were not limited to their associations through the Center for Soviet-American Dialogue and the¬†World Future Society¬†[2]. Hubbard also crossed paths with Strong and Gorbachev through the¬†UN¬†and the State of the World Forum (SWF). In brief, Hubbard not only echoed¬†Strong¬†and¬†Gorbachev¬†in their ‚Äúco-creative‚ÄĚ advancement of the sustainable development initiatives of¬†the UN, the¬†Club of Rome, the¬†WEF, the¬†WFS, and the SWF; she also worked directly with the¬†SWF¬†and the¬†UN¬†to¬†push¬†the¬†MDGs¬†and¬†SDGs¬†of¬†Agenda 21¬†and¬†Agenda 2030¬†respectively.

In 2016, Hubbard addressed the¬†UN High Level Forum on the Culture of Peace¬†where she gave a speech at a panel titled ‚ÄúEnhancing Synergy between Sustainable Development Goals and 8 Action Areas of the UN Program of Action on the Culture of Peace.‚ÄĚ During this speech, she pontificated that ‚Äúthe Culture of Peace adds a dimension to the SDG goals, a vision. Inherent in the Culture of Peace movement is a vision of a new world. The SDG goals are more or less key items as to how to get there.‚ÄĚ Emphasizing how ‚Äú[c]risis is a driver for evolutionary breakthrough,‚ÄĚ Hubbard asked, ‚Äú[h]ow do we enhance SDG basic goals with the actions for a culture of peace?‚ÄĚ In brief, Hubbard worked directly with the UN to advance the SDG agenda that was set in motion by her fellow¬†WFS Board Member,¬†Maurice Strong, who spearheaded the UNCED, the UNEP, the UN WCED, the UN Earth Summit, and¬†UN Agenda 21.

Modeled after the WEF, the Bilderberg Group, and the Club of Rome, the State of the World Forum was structured as a globalist Round Table NGO. Like its Round Table predecessors, the¬†SWF brought together delegates from national governments, multinational companies, corporate foundations, UN agencies, and a host of other Round Table NGOs, such as the WEF, the Club of Rome, and the Council on Foreign Relations. In contrast with its Round Table predecessors, the SWF was unique in that its participants included a remarkable number of ‚ÄúReligious & Spiritual Leaders,‚Ä̬†including an array of New Agers and futurists, many of whom were also Hubbard‚Äôs associates.

Hubbard’s New Age and futurist comrades included the following SWF participants:

John Naisbitt, Source: Charlie Rose

Lynne Twist at the 2019 Conscious Capitalism Annual Conference , Source: Conscious Capitalism, Inc.

Hazel Henderson, Source: Earth Charter

  • Deepak Chopra¬†was listed as one of the SWF‚Äôs ‚ÄúReligious & Spiritual Leaders.‚ÄĚ Both he and Hubbard were Fellows of the¬†World Business Academy, and he was an ‚Äúally‚ÄĚ of Hubbard‚Äôs Birth 2012 Campaign¬†[5].¬†Chopra¬†praised¬†Hubbard as ‚Äúthe voice for conscious evolution of our time.‚ÄĚ

Deepak Chopra

Michael Murphy, Source: Esalen Journal

  • Stanislav Grof¬†spoke on an SWF Panel titled ‚ÄúLegacy of Wisdom.‚ÄĚ In¬†The Book of Co-Creation, Grof is noted as one of Hubbard‚Äôs ‚Äú[c]olleagues and teachers of conscious evolution‚Ä̬†[1].

Stanislav Grof

  • Jean Houston¬†was listed as one of the SWF‚Äôs ‚ÄúReligious & Spiritual Leaders.‚ÄĚ In¬†Birth 2012 and Beyond, Houston is recorded as an ‚Äúally‚ÄĚ of Hubbard‚Äôs Birth 2012 Campaign¬†[5]. Additionally, Both she and Hubbard were Fellows of the¬†World Business Academy.

Jean Houston, Source: Conscious Connection,

In addition to all of these New Age and futurist ‚Äúco-creators‚ÄĚ who have bolstered Hubbard‚Äôs gospel of conscious evolution, other SWF participants included numerous top-level administrators of UN agencies that have been propagating¬†Malthusian¬†population¬†policies¬†in¬†conjunction¬†with¬†sustainable¬†development¬†initiatives. Some of these UN figureheads, who were commissioned as delegates to the SWF, also collaborated with Hubbard.

For instance, the Director-General of the UN Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization (UNESCO),¬†Federico Mayor, served as a co-chair of the SWF; and he also spoke at the¬†UN High Level Forum on the Culture of Peace¬†where Hubbard gave her speech promoting Agenda 2030‚Äôs SDGs. Additionally, UN Assistant Secretary General,¬†Robert Muller, served on the¬†SWF International Coordinating Council. As Assistant Secretary General, Muller served under¬†UN Secretary General Kurt Waldheim, who was previously a¬†Nazi Wehrmacht officer. According to¬†UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, Muller was ‚ÄĚ instrumental in the conception of . . .¬† the UN Development Programme‚ÄĚ (UNDP) and the ‚ÄúUN Population Fund‚ÄĚ (UNFPA); and he ‚ÄĚ helped‚ÄĚ Maurice Strong ‚Äúorchestrate the first-ever UN Conference on the Human Environment.‚ÄĚ In a blurb on the back cover of Hubbard‚Äôs autobiography,¬†Muller¬†exalted Hubbard with the following accolades: ‚Äú[i]f I have ever met a person who is fully conscious of her responsibilities toward the earth, humanity and the cosmos, it is certainly Barbara Marx Hubbard. She is a true 21st century woman‚Ä̬†[2].

Robert Muller (L), Kurt Waldheim (R)

Another UN delegate to the SWF was Nafis Sadik, who was the Secretary General of the 1994 UN International Conference on Population & Development, which stipulated the Neo-Malthusian family planning policies that guide Agenda 2030’s SDGs. Other UN delegates to the SWF included UNEP Executive Director Elizabeth Dowdeswell, UNESCO Director-General Koichiro Matsurra, UNDP Director Sakiko Fukuda-Parr, UNDP Administrator Mark Malloch Brown, and UN Children’s Fund (UNICEF) Executive Director, Carol Bellamy.

These UN agencies, which partnered with the SWF, have¬†all¬†worked to¬†advance¬†the¬†SDGs. At the same time, according to the¬†executive producer of the SWF, the final State of the World Forum was convened ‚Äúin conjunction with the UN Millennial Summit [sic],‚ÄĚ which established the¬†UN MDGs¬†that are now revamped as the¬†SDGs. Evidently, the UN-SWF alliance, which encompassed Hubbard‚Äôs circle of New Age futurists, was instrumental in laying the groundwork for the Agenda 2030 SDGs that are now being accelerated by the WEF‚Äôs¬†Great Reset¬†for the¬†Fourth Industrial Revolution.

Not only has the WEF taken up the SDG mantle of the UN and the SWF, but the State of the World Forum also hosted several top officials of the World Economic Forum along with other high-ranking Round Table globalists, including prominent members of the Club of Rome and the Council on Foreign Relations. For instance, Club of Rome member¬†Wouter van Dieren¬†and Club of Rome President¬†Ashok Khosla¬†were ‚ÄúAdditional Speakers‚ÄĚ at the SWF. Khosla is also a¬†member of the WEF, and he has served as an advisor to the UNDP, the UNEP, and the UN WCED, the latter two of which were spearheaded by¬†Maurice Strong, who was a¬†WEF Foundation Board Member¬†and a¬†‚ÄúFeatured Speaker‚Ä̬†at the SWF. Another SWF ‚ÄúFeatured Speaker‚ÄĚ was¬†WEF Trustee¬†Marc Benioff¬†while WEF member¬†George¬†Soros¬†was a ‚ÄúDistinguished Guest‚ÄĚ of the SWF. Additionally,¬†CFR member¬†Stephen Rhinesmith¬†served on the SWF International Coordinating Council, and he ‚Äúconducted a session on global leadership‚ÄĚ for the¬†WEF‚Äôs Young Global Leaders¬†program, which¬†recruits national leaders¬†to adopt¬†SDG initiatives. Rhinesmith was also the Chairman of the Board of Advisors of the¬†Esalen Soviet-American Exchange Program¬†where Hubbard‚Äôs ‚Äúco-creators,‚ÄĚ Velikhov and Goldin, were Russian liaisons.

It is worth noting here that the SWF was sponsored by¬†Time Warner, which was bankrolled by its largest shareholder: WEF member¬†Ted Turner, who has been a¬†vocal proponent¬†of¬†population control. On the¬†‚ÄúSupporters‚ÄĚ page¬†of the State of the World Forum‚Äôs website, which is archived in the¬†Wayback Machine, there was a quote from Turner warning that ‚Äú[t]he population problem and environmental destruction that is going on in the world will eventually lead to our demise if it is not reversed.‚ÄĚ

Altogether, the¬†SWF¬†helped launch the¬†UN MDGs, which became the¬†SDGs, by bringing together representatives from the¬†UN, the¬†WEF, and the¬†Club of Rome, the latter of which propagated the¬†‚Äúlimits to growth‚Ä̬†theories that¬†paved the way¬†for the SDGs. At the same time,¬†Hubbard¬†and her¬†cohort¬†of¬†New Age ‚Äúevolutionaries‚ÄĚ were positioned in the middle of this sustainability nexus between the SWF, the UN, the WEF, and Club of Rome. In sum, the SWF yoked together¬†Hubbard¬†and her¬†New Age¬†‚Äúco-creators‚ÄĚ with¬†UN representatives¬†and¬†Round Table globalists, including¬†Strong¬†and¬†Gorbachev, who¬†laid¬†the¬†groundwork¬†for the¬†UN¬†SDGs. This was done in order to advance the Club of Rome‚Äôs¬†Malthusian¬†sustainable development¬†policies through the¬†UN MDGs¬†that have been¬†revamped¬†through¬†Agenda 2030, which is currently being bolstered by the¬†WEF‚Äôs Great Reset.

Caveat Lector

In response to my first installment in this investigative series on Hubbard, several of her colleagues have critiqued my report, arguing that I unfairly represented Hubbard’s character. These Hubbard apologists have suggested that she was well intentioned, but that she was taken advantage of by globalist oligarchs, who hijacked her ideas and co-opted her image to usher in a technocratic New World Order under a veneer of New Age spirituality.

To be sure, with all due respect, neither this nor my previous article is intended as a judgment of Hubbard‚Äôs personal character. Rather, this investigative series aims only to document her involvement in the transhumanist and Malthusian-eugenic agendas of the UN-Round Table oligarchy. While it may be possible that Hubbard was na√Įve to the machinations of her comrades at the UN, the Club of Rome, the SWF, and the WEF, it is hard to believe that she was totally ignorant of the techno-fascist ambitions of many of her associates.

But even if you’re convinced that Hubbard was unwittingly beguiled by these international oligarchs, it cannot be ignored that she cooperated with the top brass of some of the very same Round Table NGOs and global governance institutions that are now at the epicenter of the Great Reset and the Fourth Industrial Revolution. Beyond her liaisons with the UN-Round Table syndicate, Hubbard explicitly championed transhumanism and Malthusian sustainable development, which are the crux of the Great Reset and the Fourth Industrial Revolution. Regardless of whether Hubbard was gullibly seduced by unsavory elitists, or whether she willingly lent her New Age ethos to trailblaze for the technocratic enterprises of globalist oligarchs, it cannot be denied that Hubbard’s writings and speeches explicitly call for transhumanism and Malthusian population control on several occasions.

In the next installments of this series, I will dig deeper into the key influencers behind Hubbard’s Malthusian-eugenic transhumanism. These include Jonas Salk, Laurance Rockefeller, and Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. I will also unveil how Hubbard’s affiliations with the World Future Society, the Human Potential Movement, and the Foundation for Conscious Evolution were connected to networks of alleged pedophiles and sexual abuse cults.


[1]  Barbara Marx Hubbard, The Revelation: Our Crisis Is a Birth (The Book of Co-Creation) (Sonoma, CA: Foundation for Conscious Evolution, 1993).

[2]  Barbara Marx Hubbard, The Hunger of Eve: One Woman’s Odyssey Toward the Future (Eastsound, WA: Island Pacific NW, 1989).

[3]¬†¬†Graeme Maxton and J√łrgen Randers,¬†Reinventing Prosperity: Managing Economic Growth to Reduce Unemployment, Inequality, and Climate Change (A Report to the Club of Rome)¬†(Vancouver: Greystone Books, 2016).

[4]  Barbara Marx Hubbard, Emergence: The Shift from Ego to Essence (10 Steps to the Universal Human) (Charlottesville, VA: Walsch Books, 2001).

[5]  Barbara Marx Hubbard and The Welcoming Committee, Birth 2012 and Beyond: Humanity’s Great Shift to the Age of Conscious Evolution (USA: Shift Books, 2012).

About the Editor

Patrick Wood
Patrick Wood is a leading and critical expert on Sustainable Development, Green Economy, Agenda 21, 2030 Agenda and historic Technocracy. He is the author of Technocracy Rising: The Trojan Horse of Global Transformation (2015) and co-author of Trilaterals Over Washington, Volumes I and II (1978-1980) with the late Antony C. Sutton.
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M Perez

Amazing article…, tying all the strings together.., unfortunately the spiritual dynamics exist as well and is a great troubling thing to know that the Catholic Church through the Vatican now has ties to this puzzle as well… and with the opening of the abrahimic house the progression towards complete one world rule marching on… we must be men and women of intense prayer now more than ever for the conversion of our hearts and to repair for these outrages against God …


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James Reinhart

Decision Sciences and Computer Information and Technology when testing the Malthusian theory was identified as a fraud from the beginning. When the food amount is limited, the population will even out. The idiot’s test of fruit flies and fixed amount of food found that population would overwhelm the ability to feed the people is hypothesis only an idiot would use. That is the way the Anthropocene has always worked. Now who created the Green Revolution and poisoned the soil, water and air at the same time using the same chemicals and used plastics and forever toxic plastics of over 1000… Read more »

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