The CDC now independently confirms recent research by Stanford University that COVID-19 has an extremely low death rate. This exposes the Technocrat hysteria as being man-made and not based on any real, verified data. ⁃ TN Editor
Most people are more likely to wind up six feet under because of almost anything else under the sun other than COVID-19.
The CDC just came out with a report that should be earth-shattering to the narrative of the political class, yet it will go into the thick pile of vital data and information about the virus that is not getting out to the public. For the first time, the CDC has attempted to offer a real estimate of the overall death rate for COVID-19, and under its most likely scenario, the number is 0.26%. Officials estimate a 0.4% fatality rate among those who are symptomatic and project a 35% rate of asymptomatic cases among those infected, which drops the overall infection fatality rate (IFR) to just 0.26% — almost exactly where Stanford researchers pegged it a month ago.
Until now, we have been ridiculed for thinking the death rate was that low, as opposed to the 3.4% estimate of the World Health Organization, which helped drive the panic and the lockdowns. Now the CDC is agreeing to the lower rate in plain ink.
Plus, ultimately we might find out that the IFR is even lower because numerous studies and hard counts of confined populations have shown a much higher percentage of asymptomatic cases. Simply adjusting for a 50% asymptomatic rate would drop their fatality rate to 0.2% – exactly the rate of fatality Dr. John Ionnidis of Stanford University projected.
More importantly, as I mentioned before, the overall death rate is meaningless because the numbers are so lopsided. Given that at least half of the deaths were in nursing homes, a back-of-the-envelope estimate would show that the infection fatality rate for non-nursing home residents would only be 0.1% or 1 in 1,000. And that includes people of all ages and all health statuses outside of nursing homes. Since nearly all of the deaths are those with comorbidities.
The CDC estimates the death rate from COVID-19 for those under 50 is 1 in 5,000 for those with symptoms, which would be 1 in 6,725 overall, but again, almost all those who die have specific comorbidities or underlying conditions. Those without them are more likely to die in a car accident. And schoolchildren, whose lives, mental health, and education we are destroying, are more likely to get struck by lightning.
To put this in perspective, one Twitter commentator juxtaposed the age-separated infection fatality rates in Spain to the average yearly probability of dying of anything for the same age groups, based on data from the Social Security Administration. He used Spain because we don’t have a detailed infection fatality rate estimate for each age group from any survey in the U.S. However, we know that Spain fared worse than almost every other country. This data is actually working with a top-line IFR of 1%, roughly four times what the CDC estimates for the U.S., so if anything, the corresponding numbers for the U.S. will be lower.
As you can see, even in Spain, the death rates from COVID-19 for younger people are very low and are well below the annual death rate for any age group in a given year. For children, despite their young age, they are 10-30 times more likely to die from other causes in any given year.
While obviously yearly death rates factor in myriad of causes of death and COVID-19 is just one virus, it still provides much-needed perspective to a public policy response that is completely divorced from the risk for all but the oldest and sickest people in the country.
I can’t find any verification that the CDC has paid any mind to this study, but I’ve seen lots of information regarding the research being riddled with math errors, poor methodology, and suspect test data quality, and bias on the part of the researchers. Stanford is taking a big hit on their credibility for this one. .25% of the population of NYC has died as a result of the coronavirus – if 100% of the people were infected, then the death rate is .25%. If 25% were infected as test results suggest, the death rate is 1%. Why would California… Read more »
Why do you need math? Is this so hard? NYC has had 22,000 deaths and has a population of 8.4 million. 22,000 is 0.26% of the 8.4 million. What other claim did he make that you don’t know how to fact check for yourself? Is our educational system failing us this badly?
As it was pointed out by Stanford if you subtract the long term care patients it would drop from .0026 to .001. Which is only a % of automotive death for people under 60, and kids are more at risk for being struck by lightning.
1% They destroyed the best economy we’ve ever had, suicide hot line calls up 800%, child abuse, domestic violence and a 15% unemployment rate! 1.4 million healthcare workers have lost their jobs, hospitals are empty, elective surgeries cancelled and hospitals no where near normal capacity. 30 years in healthcare and I’ve never seen a bigger pile of BS!
the unemployment rate in states is now just under 9% and a massive 4.8 million got back into a job in june and the hospitals just like here in Nz were down to 35 % occupancy and saved no lives and only 22 lost and now the country has been hit with 146 billion debt by this hopeless COL who have just borrowed but will not say from where and if they have from China all hell will brake loose with election 10 weeks away
I agree completely. May I add that the food situation is about to reach crisis levels. We may see mass starvation in the USA over the next few years because of this tyrannical lockdown and the fear of a virus that has a death rate that is about equal to a normal year of flu cases. This is terrifyingly sad and totally uncalled for, but when we try to present logical statistics we are censored and shutup.
I worked covid. I work in a suburb 20 mins from Chicago. Our hospital was FLOODED with covid patients. We had to emergency order more vents because we ran out. The things I witnessed were horrible. The sound of the code blue alarm became a daily norm. I’m not sure where you’re from, or what city you work in. But we got hit HARD.
You would be the first I have heard of such happening on a scale like that.
So what’s it like in your hospital now…since they say the virus is spreading more rapidly & higher numbers everywhere? Assuming you do still work there?
Larry you are a douche..and a kool-aid drinker. We have already confirmed that a majority of deaths previously related to covid, were ploys to get Federal assistance. People being shot or had pre existing conditions.
It’s one hell of a lot fewer than those who die of tuberculosis every year. And yet nobody does social distancing, or masks, or economy lockdowns to prevent TB. This has been set up for the past several years in order to get everyone used to be under the thumb of the government (globally).
Bryant, you surprised me about TB. Here in Europe TB is very rare. I was not sure about USA, so I looked it up. Number of TB deaths in the USA is less than 1000 a year. Compared to more than 150.000 Covid-19 deaths in USA in 2020 (YtD). What kind of figures do you have and where did you find them?
Speaking as an under 50 with stage 4 cancer, I just think its great that my life doesn’t matter in the face of our beloved economy. Without Covid-19, I can live 10, may 20 more years of normal life. If I get Covid-19, my survival rate becomes less than 5%, but by all means since its a pre-existing condition my death is A-ok.
I would be interested in what type of cancer you have, considering that you claim to be able to live for 10-20 years with stage 4. Ive met several people with various types of cancers, and the time difference for most of them from stage 4 classification to death is a few months, coupled with a much reduced quality of life. Many hospitals around the world had compromised their capacity of care for terminal patients due to the anticipation of this outbreak (thankfully, many have returned to normal). The reduction of treatment for which you’ve been diagnoaed for should also… Read more »
I don’t know about the person that wrote (David) but I have stage IV lung cancer and I have been living with it for almost 12 years now. I have an extremely aggressive oncologist who keeps pushing the needle. I was on chemo for 9 years and now have been on an oral therapy for over 2 years. I do not want to end my life earlier than possible. I still have grand babies to see grow up. I think we should think of the better good here and wear masks just to be respectful of those who do have… Read more »
Suzanne, apparently you are the exception, by far. Chemo usually extends life by a few weeks or a couple of months at best, and in general the quality of life for those on chemo is horrific. My wife has cancer as well, and we’ve been studying the statistics for all different treatments at length for the past several months. Prognosis for people in western society, on “conventional” medicine, is abysmal.
Especially, stage 4. She has by far outlived any stage 4 lung cancer patient I’ve ever known. Especially, taking Chemo. Not to say its not possible. But probably about as rare as a person with COVID actually dying from COVID.
My dad was diagnosed with non hodgkins lymphoma, STAGE 4, in 96, he lived until 2013. I was diagnosed with AML in 2002, had a bone marrow transplant from my son and im still here, you know not what you speak of…
Boo hoo, I’m in the same boat. Better to die living what I got left than live in fear. Stop being selfish because you’re part of that .004. you still got 5% chance of living so live it in fear if you choose.
What would the death toll be if nursing homes weren’t forces to take patience that had the virus? Were these governors trying to push up the death toll? Or did they think these people are on Social Security and we can save some money if they die?
In response to your statement in regards to nursing homes being “forced” to take patients that had covid…. So where do we put the covid patients who are stable to go home but too de-conditioned to be safe at home? Do we keep them in the hospital and rehabilitate them until they are 100% on their feet? That is impossible. We have to empty rooms for the sick patients waiting in the ER who also need medical treatment. Hospitals are for acute care. They are not rehab facilities. That’s what the nursing homes are for. If we kept every covid… Read more »
Right, because the ENTIRE EMPTY JAVITZ CENTER didn’t have enough room, so it made more sense to put recovering patients in with elderly at nursing homes? ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?! SMDH. The hypocritical idiocy of some of the crap I read….. “waaaaahhhh, I have a condition, you evil people don’t care about my life! But there’s no way they could have come up with a better solution than to put recovering patients in nursing homes! That’s what they’re for!” SMMFH!!!!
Why wouldCA be lower?Let’ssee- much lowerpopulation density, quicker to take preventive measures, didnt send infected patients back into nursing homes. You know, obvious stuff.
My back of the napkin calculation has New York at deaths 0.35 percent of population of 8.4 million if 100 per cent of population were infected. This is based on 31000 deaths. Could it be that after the initial New York experience we have learned better disease management, and this will lower overall US death rate?
Or perhaps all of the non-COVID deaths that were attributed to COVID could be filtered out so we have accurate numbers? And perhaps get rid of the idiots in New York (and Michigan and other similar states) who shipped off COVID patients to nursing homes in order to infect everyone there (and further boost their dead rate, while simultaneously reducing the long-term “burden” to the state of those who are old and in need of assistance. My father was a nursing home administrator for years. I managed a nursing facility myself, and have worked in the medical industry for most… Read more »
The death rate in 5 states, due to bad regulations forcing sick people into vulnerable populations, results in most of the deaths in the United States. The other thing to keep in mind is that nearly all deaths in hospitals are being recorded as covid deaths, even those in hospice (up to 35%) and with influenza. These are “presumed” covid although in many cases they are never confirmed. Face it, we are being scammed from several directions.
Let’s face it, Charles, You are not at all interested in proof. You have already made up your mind, degenerating into 4-letter words to defend your own indefensible position.
Someone is lying, and I don’t think it’s the right. Something seems odd I am up to 15 people I know personally with covid-19. 0 dead. Yes I have heard of older people in our state dying yet I personally don’t know anyone. If 15 people in my close circle of people. I can’t imagine what the real number of infected is. I don’t really believe anything about covid-19 anymore. Seems all about power and control.
With $13,000 provided for a COVID diagnosis and an additional $39,000 if they go on ventilation. And, those needing medical help for other things than a cough but who are afraid to go to a hospital in case they catch a case of COVID. Where do you think they are getting liquidity Charlie? Somebody is paying mortgage and lights and sewer and water. How many private hospitals in America? How many hospital corporations? The conflation of diseases is easily provable, but hell you just trolling for the pro-vax people. And I would suspect your a bit doty Charlie! **BTW Patrick… Read more »
No they haven’t! The CDC was just proven to have been misrecording the numbers double as has China! They admitted it too! It’s being calculated all over again! It’s no where near what they have been telling the public all along! The bull they have been feeding the public has been untrue!
The CDC does verify a continuously lowering death rate on the CDC website; “Based on death certificate data, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia, influenza or COVID-19 (PIC) decreased from 9.0% during week 25 to 5.9% during week 26, representing the tenth week of a declining percentage of deaths due to PIC.” It’s all a matter of how data is portrayed and what data is being used. Still, if the death rate has been declining continuously over the past 10 weeks, as the CDC claims it has, then all of the news reports about increased virus is just a… Read more »
It is even more ridiculous than that. The 2020 all cause death rate in much of the country is actually below the expected average total deaths. They can fake and misclassify cause of death but they can’t fake the total number of dead bodies from all causes. There is no pandemic at all except for the 5 states that forced infected people into nursing homes. Go to this CDC website where you will find the data showing that my state Missouri is only at 98% of the annual expected deaths. Percent of expected deaths is the number of deaths for… Read more »
It is Oxford University, which was an early promoter of panic, which has been embarrassed by it’s woefully inaccurate and shoddy estimates. Stanford and the Univ of Washington have been fairly accurate, although no one really knows the future of the mutating and milding virus.
We are at 104% of expected deaths right now per CDC provisional death count. Including the spike in so called Covid deaths in April. We all know as it says Covid involved not death from Covid that this is not a real number to attribute directly to Covid. Regardless total deaths by the end of the year will not be able to hide that fact that no more people than usual died this year or at least not a large percentage more. I would say that many deaths could be put to lockdown as suicide and lack of healthcare are… Read more »
Regardless of the right or left take on this low death rate even if math errors bumbled data etc put a multiplier on that would it make any difference? Say 4 times, everything 4 times worse than cdc reports here…is it worth what we are giving up worth the real cost of being so afraid of something so out of our control..thank god the idiot running our country is 4 times smarter than all of you fear mongering hate spreaders
It is my understanding that there is no treatment for hospitalized Covid patients when they are first admitted. Patients languish until they develop more symptoms and are put on intubators and respirators and this is what they die with/of. If HCQ (hydroxychloroquine) is administered with an antibiotic (Arithromycine) and/or zinc within an early few days, the virus does not replicate and the person gets well as proven by Dr Didier Raoult, M.D., Marseilles, France, who, with his team, treated over 4000 OUTPATIENTS with only a few deaths and slightly higher number of hospitalizations. According to Dr Zach Bush, if a… Read more »
I got a facebook warning that this contained”partly false” information and no one can see on my wall where I posted it but me.
I’m sure many others have gotten this too…
Just checking to see if anyone knows what’s up there. Hard to Trust their “fact checking” as biased as they are & don’t care whom sees & knows that…
Sane American
May 27, 2020 11:23 pm
You circled .004 (.4%) then claim it’s .2%. Cherry-picking?
A .2% IFR using New York City’s death would be 8.2 million infected. The entire city has only 8.4 million people.
The 0.4% does not include asymptomatic. The 0.26% number does. It’s not cherry picking, it’s using the CDC’s actual numbers.
You can say the CDC is incorrect, that’s fine.
But the extrapolation of the data provided w/ 35% being the estimated asymptomatic rate and 0.4% being the IFR not including the 35% asymptomatic; Simple math gets you to 0.26%.
Go to this CDC website where you will find the data showing that my state Missouri is only at 98% of the annual expected deaths. Most of the country is at or below expected average deaths. Percent of expected deaths is the number of deaths for all causes for this week in 2020 compared to the average number across the same week in 2017–2019……..Ask yourself this question, if covid is really a scary pandemic virus, why isn’t anyone dying in excess of the expected number? It also appears that covid is only deadly in Democrat states where infected people were… Read more »
I think the Democrats started the whole thing they should be held accountable for it and I mean jail time people has lost business and some have lost their jobs and lives because no surgery no treatment for cancer patients but keep dog groomers open and abortion clinics ????
You know there are other countries beyond the US right? It didn’t start here and don’t forget, Trump is in charge. So the Democrats, who are not in charge, coordinated a mass conspiracy with the rest of the world and everyone played along? Sounds legit.
and they did all this without any republican knowing about their plot ..LOL 137 countries all joined in just to get rid of Trump , better chance of getting hit by Lightning
It doesn’t have to do with them trying to get rid of Trump and “they” being the globalists use the WHO to gain control of the 137 countries. Alot of Democrats are globalist elite and some Republicans too. The globalists do have a heavy interest in getting rid of Trump but that’s because the real interest lies with getting rid of America as a free country.
Trump is not in control. Look up event 201 and look at the date the videos were made. The coronavirus pandemic was rehearsed live for all of us to see. All of the globalist organizations were there to practice.
You must not have been paying attention for the last 3 years. Its pretty obvious that Trump is not anywhere close to being in charge. Democrats been making all of America’s lives miserable for three years non stop. From Russia to the riots.
Sweetie. OMG. No. Please, everyone here, WAKE UP! This is not about the USA’s adversarial political system. It’s about an illegitimate government, unelected and worldwide, that seeks control of humanity worldwide for profit. No single governing body can identify, follow and jail people worldwide except this group. They had directed such beginning day one. These criminals own most all of the world’s wealth and therefore, influence. And while you all are fighting about sub-level politics, the MSM’s support of their worldwide narrative, and death rates that do not add up to you’re “belief-in” a thing you are not recognizing the… Read more »
Okay then Jennifer… Do you have any idea how ignorant your entire paragraph sounds…… Democrats invented the covid-19 virus, put themselves and millions of other Democrats out of work, closed down their OWN businesses forever intentionally, put their OWN employee’s out of work intentionally , killed their own friends & family members intentionally, and lastly….. Changed life as we ,and the entire world, knows it … Forever!!!!! Don’t you think you give “horrible, lawless, sneaky, unpatriotic, baby killers waaaayyyy to much credit.????!!!!! Imagine a Republican thinking there is even one democrat in this world that “intelligent”!!! But I’m confused!!! Was… Read more »
When they start blaming democrats for the virus, it’s hard to take anything else they say seriously. That’s from and embarrassed former republican. Blaming the globalists, Bill Gates, and dr Fauci are my favorite theories though
It wasn’t the Democrats. They don’t get their hands dirty. They have the media doing all their dirty work. When a democrat does get a little dirt on their hands. They bring in the CYA media to run blocker for whoever slipped in the mud. Problem is the MSM CNN, MSNBC, CBS, etc are no longer the only dogs in the fight. So they don’t have the control they used to. Man they don’t like that one bit. This is why they are attacking the 1st amendment and trying to shut down any one or anything that dare question our… Read more »
Check out geoengineeringwatch.org for some answers about where the virus originated from. It is now found attached to pollution in our environment. How did it get there?
He did not start the virus and has not failed…..do you think the President should know how to respond correctly in every situation. You are crazy! He takes the brunt of all that is wrong whether he did it or not.
Lindy Combs
May 29, 2020 12:15 am
We gotta raise our own bar…develop a LOVE OF TRUTH and be a truth seeker. THANK YOU FOR THIS NEWS!
Bob Kratchet the accountant
May 29, 2020 11:10 am
Someone missed a gigantic bullet point… “They are not predictions or estimates of the expected impact of COVID-19. ” These are just planning scenarios, not an analysis of the death toll.
An analysis of the death tolls shows over 150k Americans dying of influenza and pneumonia in one month before the first COVID reported death in the US.
This number was about the same the month before, and ramped up in NOvember and December like COVID did at its start.
Still decimating more people that COVID ever will or has.
These numbers are directly from the CDC website. I think possibly some of you should just do your own research instead of letting the media tell you what to fear.
Karl
May 30, 2020 9:25 am
What a difference a month makes. The CDC was heavily influenced by the Chinese controlled WHO but when Trump cut ALL the funding for the WHO, I think Fauci was terrified that he was next. This is a detailed chart from the CDC with different numbers based on the age of the person. The 65+ death number is not 0.4% It is 1.3%. That is 300% higher but still a small number. I think the “hospitalization” number is just as important. For age 65+ it’s 7.4% of the infected. That is a significant number. I am 68 so I am at… Read more »
Kacaci
May 31, 2020 5:14 am
What about the 1.8 IFR at diamond princess cruise ship?
Has any of these projections taken into account that there is concern that a good number of non-corona deaths got put into that number?
What do the flue death numbers look like compared to other years?
There were a lot of deaths put in that category. People who died of natural causes, Gunshot death victims, kidney failure shut down, heart attacks, pneumonia deaths, cancer deaths, they were all placed in that category and that was to make it look and sound much worse that it really was to make Trump look like a failure it’s all about the election. The masks are to kill us off sooner from hypoxia. Lack of oxygen.
Hypoxia? Tell that to all the health care workers who use these same masks all day, every day! Not to mention all other industries that use masks for dust/particulate protection. Come on – get real!
The health care workers I know that have to wear masks their entire shift are getting headaches from the carbon dioxide inhalation and say they can’t breathe as easily at the end of their shifts. Personally, my O2 dropped at my doctors appointment the other day while wearing mine the entire visit.
A lot of assertions here, but one that I know isn’t true is the greater likelihood of dying in a car accident one. Even with the much lowered claims of COVID death, they are equal at best. They claim for those under 50 (apparently if over 50 we shouldn’t care about how a person fares), COVID deaths are closer to 1 in 5000. Us population is 328m. Of that, 66% is 50 or younger, so about 216.5m. If 1 in 5000, then that’s about 43k. In 2018, most recent year known, there was 36k traffic accident deaths.
Bit of semi related commentary. I’m from Australia, and here we have the health department publish daily updates. Occasionally I crunch their provided numbers for insights. As of our data at 2020-06-27, if you are under 70yo and have COVID here you have about a 1 in 475 chance of death. If you are 70+ with COVID you have about a 1 in 11 chance of death. That’s a striking disparity in death rates. One might reasonably assume co-morbidities and frailty play heavily into those statistics. So really we are doing all this out of care for our most venerable.… Read more »
michael mims
June 27, 2020 10:17 am
Just check out CDC website and check out history of virus form 1918 until today. 1957-58, 1968-69 and 2009-2010 were all upper respiratory, highly contagious viruses that we did not close down the country and yet the viruses killed 80,000 to 110,000. None of these viruses returned later on, Where is the CDC on this?
John
June 27, 2020 11:14 am
THINK ABOUT IT…….
Can some explain to me how Osama Bin Laden is consider evil, and was killed for being behind the killing 3,000 Americans in the 9/11 attack, but Dr. Fauci, who was instrumental in its being made by giving the Wuhan lab $3.7 million of your tax dollars to create the Wuhan Virus and cause the deaths of over 122,000 Americans, and near a half million worldwide, and somehow Dr. Fauci becomes an American celebrity and America hero.
Thank you and God bless you for bringing encourage
June 27, 2020 4:00 pm
Larry, Thank you and God bless you for bringing encouragement, speaking honestly. Naysayers will always bring fear and negativism. Thank you and God bless you!
Kathy Shivel
June 27, 2020 9:55 pm
Did anyone hear that every person with a Covid19 death had also at some point received Flu shot?
Sorry, Cindy, but you are wrong. These rates have been corroborated by scientists at Stanford University.
Gabby
June 29, 2020 9:04 pm
So you you trust the CDC on this, but not on their recommendation to wear masks?
Joel
July 4, 2020 4:50 pm
I think it’s important to view these numbers in light of how the CDC intended them. If you click the link they included in the referenced CDC article, it states explicitly that they:
“Are not predictions of the expected effects of COVID-19.”
The numbers are only intended for mathematical modelling and shouldn’t be drawn to imply that the other predictions are wrong or less than estimated.
Re: “CDC Confirms Extremely Low COVID-19 Death Rate”–The CDC report clearly states that “Parameter values are based on data received by CDC prior to 4/29/2020”. Meanwhile, as of 7/5/20, Johns Hopkins https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality provides “observed-case fatality ratios” that range from 0.9% in S. Arabia to 15.5% in the UK, and 4.6% in the USA. The latter figure is on par with that from my own most recent analysis of the USA data.
Stacy, you cannot compare apples to oranges and say they are the same. The traditional mortality rate has ALWAYS been calculated by dividing the number of specific deaths due to the virus by the number of people actually infected in the population. Only now are the latter numbers coming in as more testing is being done and the discovery is that COVIC-19 is very mild. Many people get infected and never have any symptoms at all. Others are infected and get mild symptoms. Any by the way, if someone dies of a heart attack (or stroke, cancer, brain hemorrhage, etc.)… Read more »
Joe
July 8, 2020 4:55 pm
This isn’t such groundbreaking information, and is no reason to stop social distancing and wearing masks. We always knew The death rate was low. If you think it’s a conspiracy by the democrats, you have very little sense
Literally groundbreaking considering the propaganda push towards a rushed up dangerous vaccine. Also, you really might only need masks and distancing around those who are sick. But you were wearing a mask and distancing during every flu season right? Didn’t think so.
Jamie Lange
July 10, 2020 4:40 am
…that is the problem, it affects the old and those with health problems. Citing the deaths of the entire population, but THEN focusing solely on the healthy and/or younger population misses the point.
I used the link in the article to CDC site that supposedly supported the claim of the article and did not find the same chart. This is what I found. similar, but not same: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html The most important difference I find is the death rate on the page the article linked: “Percent that die among those hospitalized. Includes both non-ICU and ICU admissions** 18-49 years: 2.0% 50-64 years: 9.8% ≥65 years: 28.1%.” None of those numbers is even close to the .004 claimed in the article. I find this article pretty suspect when its own links don’t contain the data… Read more »
The data was there at one point. If it is different, it is because they changed it.
Ridi James
July 11, 2020 9:05 pm
Horrifyingly speculative and incomplete. Example – you write: “The CDC estimates the death rate from COVID-19 for those under 50 is 1 in 5,000 for those with symptoms, which would be 1 in 6,725 overall, but again, almost all those who die have specific comorbidities or underlying conditions. Those without them are more likely to die in a car accident.” This implies hey, nothing to worry about. If they had other chronic conditions, they were on their way out anyway. 60% of Americans have one chronic condition, while 42% have multiple chronic conditions that put them at greater risk of death… Read more »
You would be happier living in China, where dissenters are quickly taken care of by the government. In the meantime, this is America where we have a Constitution and rule of law. We are not ruled by “guidelines”, pseudo-science or unelected and unaccountable Technocrats.
George
July 13, 2020 12:38 pm
While I would like to believe it, the 0.2% IFR seems overly simplified and is based on a CDC planning document, not a confirmed analysis of symptomatic and asymptomatic cases. It’s probably too early to get real hard data on the IFR yet (if ever). But the 42% of COVID19 deaths being among the 65+ crowd in care facilities seems accurate, and that’s an average across the entire USA. Some states are much higher, esp where governors implemented a program to return sick COVID patients back to care facilities was established. What astounded me was a chart on this website:… Read more »
Elle
July 14, 2020 12:21 pm
Patrick–there is something wrong with the edit function on REPLY. I can’t edit. Now it’s deleted my comment. I see it’s blank.
Could be a cache issue because we recently changed servers. Please clear your browser’s cache and see it that makes a difference.
Patricia P Tursi
July 30, 2020 12:22 pm
The use of statistics is a fallacy because the statistics coming out of CDC are not accurate. I refer to Minnesota State Senator and MD, Dr Scott Jensen who blew the whistle on instructions to physicians to diagnose all deaths as Covid regardless of another primary illness. If a patient dies in a hospital, the hospital is rewarded with $39,000 dollars. Hows that for shattering confidence if you are a patient. Upon admission, if you are diagnosed as a Covid patient, the hospital is awarded $11,000. I call that bought an paid for diagnoses. https://www.anti-empire.com/minnesota-state-senator-physician-blows-whistle-on-inflated-covid-death-tally-fear-is-a-great-way-to-control-people/
Marlene
August 4, 2020 8:25 am
I posted this on Facebook and got a notice that PolitiFact thinks it’s not accurate!
All of the fact-checkers ditch any information to the contrary of the establishment propaganda.
Shaun Herring
August 16, 2020 10:23 am
Updated July 10, 2020:
The Infection Fatality Ratio (IFR) has been added to Table 1 as a new parameter value for disease severity, replacing the Symptomatic Case Fatality Ratio and the Symptomatic Case Hospitalization Ratio. IFR takes into account both symptomatic and asymptomatic cases and may therefore be a more directly measurable parameter for disease severity for COVID-19.
[…] as it has been exposed recently by official figures released by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC Confirms Extremely Low COVID-19 Death Rate), which show that there never was any pandemic: the overall infection fatality rate was a tiny […]
I can’t find any verification that the CDC has paid any mind to this study, but I’ve seen lots of information regarding the research being riddled with math errors, poor methodology, and suspect test data quality, and bias on the part of the researchers. Stanford is taking a big hit on their credibility for this one. .25% of the population of NYC has died as a result of the coronavirus – if 100% of the people were infected, then the death rate is .25%. If 25% were infected as test results suggest, the death rate is 1%. Why would California… Read more »
Larry, you make broad sweeping claims but offer no proof of your assertions.
Larry is a troll
Why because what he’s saying is THAT far over your head?
Peter Dragon? Really?
contentious statements with no facts contribute nothing
contentious statements with no facts contributes nothing
Neither did this article except for partial figures.
Larry is not the Center for Disease Control.
Why do you need math? Is this so hard? NYC has had 22,000 deaths and has a population of 8.4 million. 22,000 is 0.26% of the 8.4 million. What other claim did he make that you don’t know how to fact check for yourself? Is our educational system failing us this badly?
As it was pointed out by Stanford if you subtract the long term care patients it would drop from .0026 to .001. Which is only a % of automotive death for people under 60, and kids are more at risk for being struck by lightning.
Schools are too busy indoctrinating children they don’t have time for math!
Yeah only the CDC can control diseases. Just like they’re controlling Covid19!
What state is he a governor of? 🤣
1% They destroyed the best economy we’ve ever had, suicide hot line calls up 800%, child abuse, domestic violence and a 15% unemployment rate! 1.4 million healthcare workers have lost their jobs, hospitals are empty, elective surgeries cancelled and hospitals no where near normal capacity. 30 years in healthcare and I’ve never seen a bigger pile of BS!
Your are correct, mam!
They are a bunch of f-ing liars! But sadly idiots believed it. Nobody shoudl have gone along with their “computer model” crap back in march.
I suggest that you read this book
http://whale.to/b/bernays.pdf
the unemployment rate in states is now just under 9% and a massive 4.8 million got back into a job in june and the hospitals just like here in Nz were down to 35 % occupancy and saved no lives and only 22 lost and now the country has been hit with 146 billion debt by this hopeless COL who have just borrowed but will not say from where and if they have from China all hell will brake loose with election 10 weeks away
I agree completely. May I add that the food situation is about to reach crisis levels. We may see mass starvation in the USA over the next few years because of this tyrannical lockdown and the fear of a virus that has a death rate that is about equal to a normal year of flu cases. This is terrifyingly sad and totally uncalled for, but when we try to present logical statistics we are censored and shutup.
I worked covid. I work in a suburb 20 mins from Chicago. Our hospital was FLOODED with covid patients. We had to emergency order more vents because we ran out. The things I witnessed were horrible. The sound of the code blue alarm became a daily norm. I’m not sure where you’re from, or what city you work in. But we got hit HARD.
You would be the first I have heard of such happening on a scale like that.
So what’s it like in your hospital now…since they say the virus is spreading more rapidly & higher numbers everywhere? Assuming you do still work there?
Fear of the unknown caused all that, not infections or deaths.
Larry you are a douche..and a kool-aid drinker. We have already confirmed that a majority of deaths previously related to covid, were ploys to get Federal assistance. People being shot or had pre existing conditions.
What’s with the name calling?
It’s our Time to Bitch slap Socialist Leftist Anarchist propaganda BSer’s.
Low intelligence
Larry is his name, silly. Douche is not a name, it’s a description.
Fake news davie! 130,000 dead don’t lie. Davie time to pull your head out
130,000 of 3.5 billion yeah that’s pretty low death rate pal!
It’s one hell of a lot fewer than those who die of tuberculosis every year. And yet nobody does social distancing, or masks, or economy lockdowns to prevent TB. This has been set up for the past several years in order to get everyone used to be under the thumb of the government (globally).
Bryant, you surprised me about TB. Here in Europe TB is very rare. I was not sure about USA, so I looked it up. Number of TB deaths in the USA is less than 1000 a year. Compared to more than 150.000 Covid-19 deaths in USA in 2020 (YtD). What kind of figures do you have and where did you find them?
Speaking as an under 50 with stage 4 cancer, I just think its great that my life doesn’t matter in the face of our beloved economy. Without Covid-19, I can live 10, may 20 more years of normal life. If I get Covid-19, my survival rate becomes less than 5%, but by all means since its a pre-existing condition my death is A-ok.
I would be interested in what type of cancer you have, considering that you claim to be able to live for 10-20 years with stage 4. Ive met several people with various types of cancers, and the time difference for most of them from stage 4 classification to death is a few months, coupled with a much reduced quality of life. Many hospitals around the world had compromised their capacity of care for terminal patients due to the anticipation of this outbreak (thankfully, many have returned to normal). The reduction of treatment for which you’ve been diagnoaed for should also… Read more »
I don’t know about the person that wrote (David) but I have stage IV lung cancer and I have been living with it for almost 12 years now. I have an extremely aggressive oncologist who keeps pushing the needle. I was on chemo for 9 years and now have been on an oral therapy for over 2 years. I do not want to end my life earlier than possible. I still have grand babies to see grow up. I think we should think of the better good here and wear masks just to be respectful of those who do have… Read more »
Suzanne, apparently you are the exception, by far. Chemo usually extends life by a few weeks or a couple of months at best, and in general the quality of life for those on chemo is horrific. My wife has cancer as well, and we’ve been studying the statistics for all different treatments at length for the past several months. Prognosis for people in western society, on “conventional” medicine, is abysmal.
Especially, stage 4. She has by far outlived any stage 4 lung cancer patient I’ve ever known. Especially, taking Chemo. Not to say its not possible. But probably about as rare as a person with COVID actually dying from COVID.
My dad was diagnosed with non hodgkins lymphoma, STAGE 4, in 96, he lived until 2013. I was diagnosed with AML in 2002, had a bone marrow transplant from my son and im still here, you know not what you speak of…
Then quarantine yourself; you have that right. Nearly everything you need can be delivered to your front door step.
Boo hoo, I’m in the same boat. Better to die living what I got left than live in fear. Stop being selfish because you’re part of that .004. you still got 5% chance of living so live it in fear if you choose.
Good God, listen to your self man, lying through your teeth.
What would the death toll be if nursing homes weren’t forces to take patience that had the virus? Were these governors trying to push up the death toll? Or did they think these people are on Social Security and we can save some money if they die?
Mary,Mary, Mary. Where did you learn to spell! .. hahahaha.
Wow…..someone who punctuates a question with an exclamation mark is dogging someone for their spelling! hahahaha.
Not to mention, her name is Merry, not Mary!
In response to your statement in regards to nursing homes being “forced” to take patients that had covid…. So where do we put the covid patients who are stable to go home but too de-conditioned to be safe at home? Do we keep them in the hospital and rehabilitate them until they are 100% on their feet? That is impossible. We have to empty rooms for the sick patients waiting in the ER who also need medical treatment. Hospitals are for acute care. They are not rehab facilities. That’s what the nursing homes are for. If we kept every covid… Read more »
Right, because the ENTIRE EMPTY JAVITZ CENTER didn’t have enough room, so it made more sense to put recovering patients in with elderly at nursing homes? ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?! SMDH. The hypocritical idiocy of some of the crap I read….. “waaaaahhhh, I have a condition, you evil people don’t care about my life! But there’s no way they could have come up with a better solution than to put recovering patients in nursing homes! That’s what they’re for!” SMMFH!!!!
How about putting them in hospice facilities?
Why wouldCA be lower?Let’ssee- much lowerpopulation density, quicker to take preventive measures, didnt send infected patients back into nursing homes. You know, obvious stuff.
My back of the napkin calculation has New York at deaths 0.35 percent of population of 8.4 million if 100 per cent of population were infected. This is based on 31000 deaths. Could it be that after the initial New York experience we have learned better disease management, and this will lower overall US death rate?
or maybe the original strain has morphed into something less deadly?
Or perhaps all of the non-COVID deaths that were attributed to COVID could be filtered out so we have accurate numbers? And perhaps get rid of the idiots in New York (and Michigan and other similar states) who shipped off COVID patients to nursing homes in order to infect everyone there (and further boost their dead rate, while simultaneously reducing the long-term “burden” to the state of those who are old and in need of assistance. My father was a nursing home administrator for years. I managed a nursing facility myself, and have worked in the medical industry for most… Read more »
You sure did not look very hard because the chart is on the CDC website exactly as it is on here.
They never looked they just wanted to repeat the words of their masters
Larry is probably a socialist activist that wants us all to live in fear and eventually give up everything for the safety from nothing.
Larry, if you assume 1% death rate across the board, there would be over 3 million dead in US. There aren’t that many dead across the world.
I would guess you would need to believe the death rate was actually from Covid
The death rate in 5 states, due to bad regulations forcing sick people into vulnerable populations, results in most of the deaths in the United States. The other thing to keep in mind is that nearly all deaths in hospitals are being recorded as covid deaths, even those in hospice (up to 35%) and with influenza. These are “presumed” covid although in many cases they are never confirmed. Face it, we are being scammed from several directions.
Would love to see your proof. Pure bull shit.
Let’s face it, Charles, You are not at all interested in proof. You have already made up your mind, degenerating into 4-letter words to defend your own indefensible position.
Someone is lying, and I don’t think it’s the right. Something seems odd I am up to 15 people I know personally with covid-19. 0 dead. Yes I have heard of older people in our state dying yet I personally don’t know anyone. If 15 people in my close circle of people. I can’t imagine what the real number of infected is. I don’t really believe anything about covid-19 anymore. Seems all about power and control.
With $13,000 provided for a COVID diagnosis and an additional $39,000 if they go on ventilation. And, those needing medical help for other things than a cough but who are afraid to go to a hospital in case they catch a case of COVID. Where do you think they are getting liquidity Charlie? Somebody is paying mortgage and lights and sewer and water. How many private hospitals in America? How many hospital corporations? The conflation of diseases is easily provable, but hell you just trolling for the pro-vax people. And I would suspect your a bit doty Charlie! **BTW Patrick… Read more »
CDC is instructing doctors how to falsify the death certificates…. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsRay1wInBg
No they haven’t! The CDC was just proven to have been misrecording the numbers double as has China! They admitted it too! It’s being calculated all over again! It’s no where near what they have been telling the public all along! The bull they have been feeding the public has been untrue!
Talk about being “riddled with errors” The population of NYC is around 10,000,000 25%would be 2,500,000
The CDC does verify a continuously lowering death rate on the CDC website; “Based on death certificate data, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia, influenza or COVID-19 (PIC) decreased from 9.0% during week 25 to 5.9% during week 26, representing the tenth week of a declining percentage of deaths due to PIC.” It’s all a matter of how data is portrayed and what data is being used. Still, if the death rate has been declining continuously over the past 10 weeks, as the CDC claims it has, then all of the news reports about increased virus is just a… Read more »
It is even more ridiculous than that. The 2020 all cause death rate in much of the country is actually below the expected average total deaths. They can fake and misclassify cause of death but they can’t fake the total number of dead bodies from all causes. There is no pandemic at all except for the 5 states that forced infected people into nursing homes. Go to this CDC website where you will find the data showing that my state Missouri is only at 98% of the annual expected deaths. Percent of expected deaths is the number of deaths for… Read more »
It is Oxford University, which was an early promoter of panic, which has been embarrassed by it’s woefully inaccurate and shoddy estimates. Stanford and the Univ of Washington have been fairly accurate, although no one really knows the future of the mutating and milding virus.
There is a big difference between .25% and 25%. Pls get the basics correct.
larry i need to know what you been smoking so i can get some lol .25 percent 😂😂😂 thats a load of shit
We are at 104% of expected deaths right now per CDC provisional death count. Including the spike in so called Covid deaths in April. We all know as it says Covid involved not death from Covid that this is not a real number to attribute directly to Covid. Regardless total deaths by the end of the year will not be able to hide that fact that no more people than usual died this year or at least not a large percentage more. I would say that many deaths could be put to lockdown as suicide and lack of healthcare are… Read more »
Regardless of the right or left take on this low death rate even if math errors bumbled data etc put a multiplier on that would it make any difference? Say 4 times, everything 4 times worse than cdc reports here…is it worth what we are giving up worth the real cost of being so afraid of something so out of our control..thank god the idiot running our country is 4 times smarter than all of you fear mongering hate spreaders
It is my understanding that there is no treatment for hospitalized Covid patients when they are first admitted. Patients languish until they develop more symptoms and are put on intubators and respirators and this is what they die with/of. If HCQ (hydroxychloroquine) is administered with an antibiotic (Arithromycine) and/or zinc within an early few days, the virus does not replicate and the person gets well as proven by Dr Didier Raoult, M.D., Marseilles, France, who, with his team, treated over 4000 OUTPATIENTS with only a few deaths and slightly higher number of hospitalizations. According to Dr Zach Bush, if a… Read more »
I got a facebook warning that this contained”partly false” information and no one can see on my wall where I posted it but me.
I’m sure many others have gotten this too…
Just checking to see if anyone knows what’s up there. Hard to Trust their “fact checking” as biased as they are & don’t care whom sees & knows that…
You circled .004 (.4%) then claim it’s .2%. Cherry-picking?
A .2% IFR using New York City’s death would be 8.2 million infected. The entire city has only 8.4 million people.
The 0.4% does not include asymptomatic. The 0.26% number does. It’s not cherry picking, it’s using the CDC’s actual numbers.
You can say the CDC is incorrect, that’s fine.
But the extrapolation of the data provided w/ 35% being the estimated asymptomatic rate and 0.4% being the IFR not including the 35% asymptomatic; Simple math gets you to 0.26%.
Go to this CDC website where you will find the data showing that my state Missouri is only at 98% of the annual expected deaths. Most of the country is at or below expected average deaths. Percent of expected deaths is the number of deaths for all causes for this week in 2020 compared to the average number across the same week in 2017–2019……..Ask yourself this question, if covid is really a scary pandemic virus, why isn’t anyone dying in excess of the expected number? It also appears that covid is only deadly in Democrat states where infected people were… Read more »
I think the Democrats started the whole thing they should be held accountable for it and I mean jail time people has lost business and some have lost their jobs and lives because no surgery no treatment for cancer patients but keep dog groomers open and abortion clinics ????
You know there are other countries beyond the US right? It didn’t start here and don’t forget, Trump is in charge. So the Democrats, who are not in charge, coordinated a mass conspiracy with the rest of the world and everyone played along? Sounds legit.
and they did all this without any republican knowing about their plot ..LOL 137 countries all joined in just to get rid of Trump , better chance of getting hit by Lightning
It doesn’t have to do with them trying to get rid of Trump and “they” being the globalists use the WHO to gain control of the 137 countries. Alot of Democrats are globalist elite and some Republicans too. The globalists do have a heavy interest in getting rid of Trump but that’s because the real interest lies with getting rid of America as a free country.
Right, its like he said they’re after us but he’s in their way. That’s why they’re trying to get rid of him.
Or a better chance of dying from Covid! ????????
I hear ya Mike!!! Lol
Trump is not in control. Look up event 201 and look at the date the videos were made. The coronavirus pandemic was rehearsed live for all of us to see. All of the globalist organizations were there to practice.
WHO estimates were out of control and wrong .
No, the Democrats were just incompetent as per usual. The second politically protected disease.
You’re blaming Democrats for Trump s bungled COVID response? Dang, that’s some powerful kool aid you’re drinking
Obama was the one funded the university of Wuhan so that would be democrat started the crap
Damned straight! Now you’re starting to see the truth, and not the bs the media is spewing!! Stay alert people!
Way to go Bob!! Finally a voice of reason!!!
You must not have been paying attention for the last 3 years. Its pretty obvious that Trump is not anywhere close to being in charge. Democrats been making all of America’s lives miserable for three years non stop. From Russia to the riots.
Sweetie. OMG. No. Please, everyone here, WAKE UP! This is not about the USA’s adversarial political system. It’s about an illegitimate government, unelected and worldwide, that seeks control of humanity worldwide for profit. No single governing body can identify, follow and jail people worldwide except this group. They had directed such beginning day one. These criminals own most all of the world’s wealth and therefore, influence. And while you all are fighting about sub-level politics, the MSM’s support of their worldwide narrative, and death rates that do not add up to you’re “belief-in” a thing you are not recognizing the… Read more »
They didn’t keep dog grooming open here. I feel so sorry for my pup. He does not deserve all this stupidity.
Okay then Jennifer… Do you have any idea how ignorant your entire paragraph sounds…… Democrats invented the covid-19 virus, put themselves and millions of other Democrats out of work, closed down their OWN businesses forever intentionally, put their OWN employee’s out of work intentionally , killed their own friends & family members intentionally, and lastly….. Changed life as we ,and the entire world, knows it … Forever!!!!! Don’t you think you give “horrible, lawless, sneaky, unpatriotic, baby killers waaaayyyy to much credit.????!!!!! Imagine a Republican thinking there is even one democrat in this world that “intelligent”!!! But I’m confused!!! Was… Read more »
When they start blaming democrats for the virus, it’s hard to take anything else they say seriously. That’s from and embarrassed former republican. Blaming the globalists, Bill Gates, and dr Fauci are my favorite theories though
You should be embarrassed. Look up who Dr. Fauci’s wife is.
It wasn’t the Democrats. They don’t get their hands dirty. They have the media doing all their dirty work. When a democrat does get a little dirt on their hands. They bring in the CYA media to run blocker for whoever slipped in the mud. Problem is the MSM CNN, MSNBC, CBS, etc are no longer the only dogs in the fight. So they don’t have the control they used to. Man they don’t like that one bit. This is why they are attacking the 1st amendment and trying to shut down any one or anything that dare question our… Read more »
Check out geoengineeringwatch.org for some answers about where the virus originated from. It is now found attached to pollution in our environment. How did it get there?
Heads should roll when the truth comes out….if ever
The truth already is out. Trump completely failed as a national leader.
Over 150k Americans died from Feb 1st to the first death of Covid due to influenza and pneumonia per the CDC site.. directly
I think you all blundered your love of the media.. (FWIW I hate Trump with a passion)
He did not start the virus and has not failed…..do you think the President should know how to respond correctly in every situation. You are crazy! He takes the brunt of all that is wrong whether he did it or not.
We gotta raise our own bar…develop a LOVE OF TRUTH and be a truth seeker. THANK YOU FOR THIS NEWS!
Someone missed a gigantic bullet point… “They are not predictions or estimates of the expected impact of COVID-19. ” These are just planning scenarios, not an analysis of the death toll.
An analysis of the death tolls shows over 150k Americans dying of influenza and pneumonia in one month before the first COVID reported death in the US.
This number was about the same the month before, and ramped up in NOvember and December like COVID did at its start.
Still decimating more people that COVID ever will or has.
These numbers are directly from the CDC website. I think possibly some of you should just do your own research instead of letting the media tell you what to fear.
What a difference a month makes. The CDC was heavily influenced by the Chinese controlled WHO but when Trump cut ALL the funding for the WHO, I think Fauci was terrified that he was next. This is a detailed chart from the CDC with different numbers based on the age of the person. The 65+ death number is not 0.4% It is 1.3%. That is 300% higher but still a small number. I think the “hospitalization” number is just as important. For age 65+ it’s 7.4% of the infected. That is a significant number. I am 68 so I am at… Read more »
What about the 1.8 IFR at diamond princess cruise ship?
Hoax, there were a few in that shi.that got it because that’s how they planned it.
A 0.26% death rate means 780,000 dead Americans
Not unless 100% of people get it.
It is aconspiracy, I think that’s true.
Has any of these projections taken into account that there is concern that a good number of non-corona deaths got put into that number?
What do the flue death numbers look like compared to other years?
There were a lot of deaths put in that category. People who died of natural causes, Gunshot death victims, kidney failure shut down, heart attacks, pneumonia deaths, cancer deaths, they were all placed in that category and that was to make it look and sound much worse that it really was to make Trump look like a failure it’s all about the election. The masks are to kill us off sooner from hypoxia. Lack of oxygen.
Sharon, My sentiments exactly!
Hypoxia? Tell that to all the health care workers who use these same masks all day, every day! Not to mention all other industries that use masks for dust/particulate protection. Come on – get real!
The health care workers I know that have to wear masks their entire shift are getting headaches from the carbon dioxide inhalation and say they can’t breathe as easily at the end of their shifts. Personally, my O2 dropped at my doctors appointment the other day while wearing mine the entire visit.
don’t were a mask, i don’t…………
A lot of assertions here, but one that I know isn’t true is the greater likelihood of dying in a car accident one. Even with the much lowered claims of COVID death, they are equal at best. They claim for those under 50 (apparently if over 50 we shouldn’t care about how a person fares), COVID deaths are closer to 1 in 5000. Us population is 328m. Of that, 66% is 50 or younger, so about 216.5m. If 1 in 5000, then that’s about 43k. In 2018, most recent year known, there was 36k traffic accident deaths.
Bit of semi related commentary. I’m from Australia, and here we have the health department publish daily updates. Occasionally I crunch their provided numbers for insights. As of our data at 2020-06-27, if you are under 70yo and have COVID here you have about a 1 in 475 chance of death. If you are 70+ with COVID you have about a 1 in 11 chance of death. That’s a striking disparity in death rates. One might reasonably assume co-morbidities and frailty play heavily into those statistics. So really we are doing all this out of care for our most venerable.… Read more »
Just check out CDC website and check out history of virus form 1918 until today. 1957-58, 1968-69 and 2009-2010 were all upper respiratory, highly contagious viruses that we did not close down the country and yet the viruses killed 80,000 to 110,000. None of these viruses returned later on, Where is the CDC on this?
THINK ABOUT IT…….
Can some explain to me how Osama Bin Laden is consider evil, and was killed for being behind the killing 3,000 Americans in the 9/11 attack, but Dr. Fauci, who was instrumental in its being made by giving the Wuhan lab $3.7 million of your tax dollars to create the Wuhan Virus and cause the deaths of over 122,000 Americans, and near a half million worldwide, and somehow Dr. Fauci becomes an American celebrity and America hero.
Larry, Thank you and God bless you for bringing encouragement, speaking honestly. Naysayers will always bring fear and negativism. Thank you and God bless you!
Did anyone hear that every person with a Covid19 death had also at some point received Flu shot?
This is false and has been proven false. Don’t believe everything you read on the internet. Check it out for yourself.
Sorry, Cindy, but you are wrong. These rates have been corroborated by scientists at Stanford University.
So you you trust the CDC on this, but not on their recommendation to wear masks?
I think it’s important to view these numbers in light of how the CDC intended them. If you click the link they included in the referenced CDC article, it states explicitly that they:
“Are not predictions of the expected effects of COVID-19.”
The numbers are only intended for mathematical modelling and shouldn’t be drawn to imply that the other predictions are wrong or less than estimated.
Re: “CDC Confirms Extremely Low COVID-19 Death Rate”–The CDC report clearly states that “Parameter values are based on data received by CDC prior to 4/29/2020”. Meanwhile, as of 7/5/20, Johns Hopkins https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality provides “observed-case fatality ratios” that range from 0.9% in S. Arabia to 15.5% in the UK, and 4.6% in the USA. The latter figure is on par with that from my own most recent analysis of the USA data.
Stacy, you cannot compare apples to oranges and say they are the same. The traditional mortality rate has ALWAYS been calculated by dividing the number of specific deaths due to the virus by the number of people actually infected in the population. Only now are the latter numbers coming in as more testing is being done and the discovery is that COVIC-19 is very mild. Many people get infected and never have any symptoms at all. Others are infected and get mild symptoms. Any by the way, if someone dies of a heart attack (or stroke, cancer, brain hemorrhage, etc.)… Read more »
This isn’t such groundbreaking information, and is no reason to stop social distancing and wearing masks. We always knew The death rate was low. If you think it’s a conspiracy by the democrats, you have very little sense
Literally groundbreaking considering the propaganda push towards a rushed up dangerous vaccine. Also, you really might only need masks and distancing around those who are sick. But you were wearing a mask and distancing during every flu season right? Didn’t think so.
…that is the problem, it affects the old and those with health problems. Citing the deaths of the entire population, but THEN focusing solely on the healthy and/or younger population misses the point.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3151129848277366&id=100001411465184
I used the link in the article to CDC site that supposedly supported the claim of the article and did not find the same chart. This is what I found. similar, but not same: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html The most important difference I find is the death rate on the page the article linked: “Percent that die among those hospitalized. Includes both non-ICU and ICU admissions** 18-49 years: 2.0% 50-64 years: 9.8% ≥65 years: 28.1%.” None of those numbers is even close to the .004 claimed in the article. I find this article pretty suspect when its own links don’t contain the data… Read more »
The data was there at one point. If it is different, it is because they changed it.
Horrifyingly speculative and incomplete. Example – you write: “The CDC estimates the death rate from COVID-19 for those under 50 is 1 in 5,000 for those with symptoms, which would be 1 in 6,725 overall, but again, almost all those who die have specific comorbidities or underlying conditions. Those without them are more likely to die in a car accident.” This implies hey, nothing to worry about. If they had other chronic conditions, they were on their way out anyway. 60% of Americans have one chronic condition, while 42% have multiple chronic conditions that put them at greater risk of death… Read more »
You would be happier living in China, where dissenters are quickly taken care of by the government. In the meantime, this is America where we have a Constitution and rule of law. We are not ruled by “guidelines”, pseudo-science or unelected and unaccountable Technocrats.
While I would like to believe it, the 0.2% IFR seems overly simplified and is based on a CDC planning document, not a confirmed analysis of symptomatic and asymptomatic cases. It’s probably too early to get real hard data on the IFR yet (if ever). But the 42% of COVID19 deaths being among the 65+ crowd in care facilities seems accurate, and that’s an average across the entire USA. Some states are much higher, esp where governors implemented a program to return sick COVID patients back to care facilities was established. What astounded me was a chart on this website:… Read more »
Patrick–there is something wrong with the edit function on REPLY. I can’t edit. Now it’s deleted my comment. I see it’s blank.
Could be a cache issue because we recently changed servers. Please clear your browser’s cache and see it that makes a difference.
The use of statistics is a fallacy because the statistics coming out of CDC are not accurate. I refer to Minnesota State Senator and MD, Dr Scott Jensen who blew the whistle on instructions to physicians to diagnose all deaths as Covid regardless of another primary illness. If a patient dies in a hospital, the hospital is rewarded with $39,000 dollars. Hows that for shattering confidence if you are a patient. Upon admission, if you are diagnosed as a Covid patient, the hospital is awarded $11,000. I call that bought an paid for diagnoses. https://www.anti-empire.com/minnesota-state-senator-physician-blows-whistle-on-inflated-covid-death-tally-fear-is-a-great-way-to-control-people/
I posted this on Facebook and got a notice that PolitiFact thinks it’s not accurate!
All of the fact-checkers ditch any information to the contrary of the establishment propaganda.
Updated July 10, 2020:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
Great article. Has anyone seen an update for this month?
They’ve killed so many and now they want to finish us off with their toxic vaccines!
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